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Ben being to pushy

I get he loves Ciara he being creepy :disappointed::roll_eyes:

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I don’t agree that he is “creepy”. He gave me pause when he locked the door on Ciara the other day, but then he opened it quickly. But since then he’s been persistent with her because he could see she was remembering things. She remembered names. No one else has been trying to get her to remember, and he knows she loves him. Why not do all he can before she marries Theo (if the divorce ever goes through) and moves to Africa?

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Actually, I think that it’s about time that he gets “pushy.”
He and the love of his life have been through so much, only for a childhood friend, Theo, to overstep his bounds.
Maybe Theo is trying to protect Ciara, but he knows that Ben and Ciara are deeply in love and are MARRIED! Ben has every right to step up, brush Theo aside, and claim his wife.

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Yes, they are married. But he’s definitely going overboard. Then again, he would have no storyline if Ciara was her normal self.

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Ben has been out of bounds this entire storyline. From barging into Ciara’s hospital room against Drs orders to trying to inject her with drugs while she was sleeping. Then he blocks the door and locks it trying to intimidate her. It’s definitely creepy.

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Ben has not been creepy at all. He has done nothing out of line. I think he has been the only one doing things to restore her memory. At least until just recently when Justin said he wouldn’t represent them and Shawn and Belle tried to tell her that she was making a mistake. I wish he had done more. I think that he should have had Kayla removed as her doctor. It was malpractice to allow a person with no adult memories to make medical decisions, etc.

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Many people experience amnesia. Traumatic amnesia and amnesia due to brain surgeries. They are not mentally incompetent and some never regain the pieces of their lives they lost. Ciara isn’t incompetent and is able to make her own decisions. When she gets her memory back I’ll be glad this storyline is done. I’m sick of seeing Theo made out to be a villain. I’m also tired of the numerous redemption storylines for killer Ben.

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From jump, I always thought that the pairing of a "necktie killer as part of a super couple was beyond believable or acceptable. Even more incredulous and insulting was that Cin was billed as the new Bope.

But since this is fantasy soap opera fare, where a SK is redeemed, the situation is what it is. To that end, if all characters are supposedly normal, (even with psychotropic meds), I feel that Ben has every right to fight for his wife.

To my utter amazement, most of Salem’s best supported their marriage. If that was so, how can Theo be welcomed with open arms when he’s engaged to another man’s wife? I don’t get it.

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Love your 1st paragraph here - it’s so insulting to Bope to make this comparison IMO!

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That is my biggest gripe with these fans. They are so willing to over look toxic and aggressive behaviors that is being displayed by Ben.

Yes I get that Ben loves Ciara but that that doesn’t give him absolute possession of her. Ben doesn’t show any sense of emotional intelligence. If someone is telling you that they don’t want to be around you then stay away from them. Don’t storm into their hospital room, try to drug them while they are not conscious or lock them into a room.

This is giving a really bad message: if someone is being aggressive and not respecting your wishes then that means he loves you.

And I totally agree with you saying Theo is being unfairly Villainized.

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I’m not overlooking any “toxic and aggressive behaviors” of Ben’s because I don’t see any. I think that those viewers who see that are people who never liked or wanted Ben in Ciara’s life and are looking for ways to vilify him. If he was any other character, I doubt that this kind of reaction would occur, but because he was mentally ill, anything he does is looked at with a jaundiced eye. A poll taken by SOD quite a while ago had two-thirds of viewers approving of CIN, one-third did not. So there will always be this divide.

It is odd, though, that Xander (whom I like) is loved by many if not most posters, yet his past is riddled with murder, torture, and even an attempted strangulation of a young woman, aside from his dealing in blood diamonds which caused hardship from the Africans who had to work the mines. And, he was and is sane, whereas Ben had an illness.

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I’m a huge Xander fan and yes, he definitely has a questionable past. But his character is definitely more entertaining than Ben. Other that pining for Ciara, what does Ben do?

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IA that Xander is more entertaining because he has various s/ls going on, and he can deliver a comedic line so well. Right now, Ben has no s/l except trying to win back his wife. But that’s not the point. How come Ben is hated because his mental illness caused such violence, which he is dealing with, but Xander’s criminal/violent past - and still very capable of continuing - is treated so lightly? Also, if Ben is so “scary” and “creepy”, how come Ciara isn’t one bit afraid of him? She’s protesting, but her body language and sexy attitude are more of a tease than a fear. But, yes, Ben has little to do right now and it is tiring.

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Ben IS “mentally Ill” - not WAS & he HAS an illness - not HAD! If not, he’d not be drug dependant as he is! Don’t know or care about Xander since I not longer watch - I’m still sorry they ruined Bo & Hope’s legacy (Ciara) for me instead of writing a heartwrenching sl for her & Ben once they chose to pair them as a great couple!

Sounds like more weak character development for Xander if he’s all those things you’ve described! However, serial killing (onscreen, no less) is about as sick & low as it gets IMO (especially being paired with a character who’s a legacy to the show’s rich history). JMHO!!

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I get your deep dismay over the whole treatment of the Bope legacy.

The truth of the matter is that Ron and his team DO NOT WANT happy couples for the short term and definitely not for the long term.
If by chance they survive their pairing, they are instantly relegated to back burner status (e.g. Steve/Kayla)

Even the thought of having a SK as a serious love interest, shows how little the writers think of a sustainable romance. They knew from the outset that the completely unrealist Cin situation would fall apart leaving viewers once again disappointed.

I just don’t agree with or enjoy these writers’ style - MY opinion - and, actually, they’re not very popular with MANY fans (it’s surprising they’re still on the air) according to where they rate with the 4 surviving shows - because true love, continuing drama, & familiarity is what daytime drama is all about!

It takes professional writing & a keen imagination/creativity to keep a popular couple exciting and they definitely lack that ability! Bo & Hope, Steve & Kayla, Marlena & John ALL have enjoyed supercouple status, front & center often taking turns center stage for staying in the forefront of stories throughout all the decades of their popularity (and look at Bo & Hope - they STILL have legions of fans after all this time away), It took great writers to develop the characters & their stories - Kristian & Peter always alluded to the great storytelling in their interviews - and with great success!

So, just because a couple is together, happy, or struggling apart they don’t HAVE to be relegated to backburner status - that’s just Ron’s weakness in writing IMO!

But yes, again, he really dropped the ball with Bope’s legacy and really could’ve kept a good thing going - SO much potential wasted! Too bad but it is what it is! And knowing the risk of a SK becoming a heroic, romantic lead and leaving his story as it was was as weak as it comes IMO! And, it truly was a disappointment!

Appreciate your comments - very well stated!

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Yes, indeed, Ben still has a mental illness, one that is being dealt with to control it. He has shown no signs of it since being on his meds, which he obviously takes. And he still seeks counsel from Marlena. First of all, this is a soap, and writers change direction whenever the mood or circumstances arise. Ben was introduced as a boring character and was given the boot. Then RSW came on, and his story was much more involved than the first guy. He was okay, and then he started to lose it and did awful things. But I’m sure the writers saw a fine actor in him and gave him a s/l of getting help at a mental facility. In the RW, a person like him would be in treatment much, much longer, but this is soapland, where all things are possible. One problem, of course, is that the writers gave him the misnomer of “serial killer,” which he is not, if anyone would care to look up the criteria needed for that. Nonetheless, he definitely killed people. Ciara saw a man who helped her heal and was kind and caring, and she fell in love with him. The people of Salem accepted him.

I think the big trouble is that the writers saw that about a third of the viewers couldn’t move on, and instead of letting Ben’s past fade away, like so many characters’ past dastardly deeds, they felt a compunction to mollify those people. Wrong. So they kept Ben’s mental problems up front to remind people, even though they (the writers) wanted to forget. Sure, they could conjure up a twin or something overdone ad nauseam, but I don’t see that they need to. A mentally ill person gets the help needed, takes meds, and is able to go on with their life. You and I will never agree, and that’s fine.

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Blice, you are so right about Ron. He definitely does not like happiness or happy couples. We have not seen a wedding without total chaos. There is no one actually happy in Salem right now other than John and Marlena. Ron is just into bringing back the dead and those stupid storylines. His writing is just pure crap and it’s a shame that he is ruining a show I once loved.

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Yes, it’s such a sad situation.
I, too, have watched Days since its beginning in 1965. The couples through the years had problems, of course. The difference with Ron’s approach to romance, IMO, is with the disastrous storyline timing.

First, it seems like every romantic scene happens too fast in any given relationship. The actual physical love is mostly frenzied coupling almost verging on the comical, instead of a slow, evolving act of love. Maybe I’m just old-fashioned, but between the women dressed like floozies, and the instant wild bedhopping, I long for the days when real romance was shown on Days. I think back to when the Steve/Kayla couple began. There was true attraction shown. Even with all the roadblocks, their eventual coming together was built with superior writing and timing. You couldn’t wait to see a Monday episode after a Friday story.

Second, after the inevitable problem is introduced, he takes FOREVER to sort it out. After awhile the excitement and anticipation of a new pair, becomes boring and annoying. Case in point- Cin, who I never believed should have been a couple, but a couple they are, with his trademark overly drawn out conflict.

It’s too bad that the writers of old couldn’t offer a workshop to Ron and his team.
Soap Opera Writing 101 to the rescue!

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Thanks, LuvBoHope! It’s so disconcerting that Days has lost a true fan like you, because of the inept destruction of a much beloved supercouple - Bo and Hope.

I guess I’m just optimistic that one day, the writing team will change and quality writers will get Days back on track. Let’s hope so; maybe you can rejoin as a viewer once again.

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