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    Lily (No Bash)

    Started by Candace at 2008/12/23 04:29AM
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    #10641   2013/05/13 09:30AM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    MsSuperSuds
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    Marlene Dietrich
    “It’s the friends you can call up at 4 a.m. that matter.”


    Good afternoon, Miss Lily! You do need female friendships as a lifeline on this show. You are not interacting w/ anyone who actually cares about you other than very, very short scenes w/ your hubby and your father. Hope something positive happens for you ASAP. Luv you much and I will holler at you again soon. Have a great day!

    #10642   2013/05/13 09:37AM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    MsSuperSuds
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    Quote shalaydra75:
    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote luvroflife: I put nothing past TPTB and their motives.

    What should matter is what this character has represented to young women/mothers. The dull roar for her to be shown as a brainless, trashy woman who places a man above her kids is writing at its worst. And WE women should protest!!

    Will always see CK as a mature young woman who fought the odds for her family. Writers can try to show differently but it will only appeal to a few who enjoy representations of women, especially AA women, shown as less.


    Great post! Society has assumptions about human behavior backwards. It is so much easier to be a horrible, trashy, mean-spirited tramp than a kind-hearted thoughtful person. Self-conrol and consideration for other people are the keys to positive and acceptable behavior. Because actors and actresses have more fun portraying the destructive, mean-spirited, thoughtless characters does not mean that society must adore & revere that kind of behavior. That is why we, especially our youth, are in so much trouble nowadays. "Its just a soap" doesn't cut it anymore. Art imitates life and Life imitates art! Which comes first is anybody's guess.



    I do not think that writers understand that it’s just a soap. Viewers are not required to watch.


    You are absolutely right! No one is required to watch the degradation and destruction of women as portrayed on Y&R today. Once Lily is written to step over the line, that is the end of any sane, rational, or logical choices for women. JFP's statement that "Viewers do not know what they want until she gives it to us" is coming back to haunt her. She will be left to watch her own handiwork w/ a small segment of viewers who enjoy seeing this on their TV screens. Count me out! I am not one of them. So sorry to see this happen to Lily. As a result, falling ratings due to disappearing viewers could not happen to a nicer soap opera.

    Thank you, Luvroflife, Shalaydra, & shorty, for the logic that you bring to Lily's situation. Thank you for continiuing to post here.

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    #10643   2013/05/13 12:22PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    shalaydra75
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    Quote Chicken Alfredo:
    Quote shalaydra75:
    Quote shorty725:
    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote luvroflife: I put nothing past TPTB and their motives.

    What should matter is what this character has represented to young women/mothers. The dull roar for her to be shown as a brainless, trashy woman who places a man above her kids is writing at its worst. And WE women should protest!!

    Will always see CK as a mature young woman who fought the odds for her family. Writers can try to show differently but it will only appeal to a few who enjoy representations of women, especially AA women, shown as less.


    Great post! Society has assumptions about human behavior backwards. It is so much easier to be a horrible, trashy, mean-spirited tramp than a kind-hearted thoughtful person. Self-conrol and consideration for other people are the keys to positive and acceptable behavior. Because actors and actresses have more fun portraying the destructive, mean-spirited, thoughtless characters does not mean that society must adore & revere that kind of behavior. That is why we, especially our youth, are in so much trouble nowadays. "Its just a soap" doesn't cut it anymore. Art imitates life and Life imitates art! Which comes first is anybody's guess.



    Great post Suds. I work in the school system therefore I see life imitating art all of the time with the way that the kids dress trying to impersonate the people that they see on television. I shake my head at some of the things that I see. If watching a woman being degraded and treated like a sexual object without brains is what tptb want young girls to see then they are doing a good job however I refuse to watch.

    Lily has always been a person of quiet strength with class, maturity, style and grace not the person that is being shown on television now who acting like a jealous, empty-headed whimical nothing because of some jerk that doesn't respect her as an intelligent woman or her marriage. That I will not be a party to.

    ITA with your post!!! You have to remember that the posters who are pushing Tily support the degradation of women and do not care about the demise of this soap. There are 2 types of viewers who are pushing for Tily. Those who do not like Lily/Lane and those who want to liberate Cane so that he can take on a prominent role on Y & R. I think a few Tyler fans think that Lily will catapult him to the limelight. These fans do not realize that this s/l is about nothing but marginalizing CK who is not on contract and transforming Cane to a leading man which he cannot be as long as he with Lily.


    There it is again. The generalization. Haven't you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe people love them, and thats it? Everything doesn't have an "agenda" or "underlying message". It is what it is. You talk about Tily as something unhealthy, when others on the outside can point out a few unhealthy things about Lane as well. Just saying.



    If so many people love them, how do you explain JG’s inability to rebuild Y & R’s ratings? Before MAB messed up Lane they brought the ratings even when they were in the flirting stage.

    In the old days, I use to enjoy debating with fans who do not like Lane/Lily/Cane, but I have found that most of them do not believe in facts. Moreover, since I have been able to predict ratings slides with s/ls and a lack of character development, I do not see the point. After I deliver my message in this post, I am going to leave you alone.

    The message of this post is there a demographic of women who do not enjoy watching women torn down; those women are going to leave in droves and those that have left will definitely not come back. I could care less about either Lauren or Michael; however, I refused to watch scenes degrading Lauren. When Lily goes, there will be no woman left to enjoy. Why do you think that Days is struggling? There is no character to which a certain demographic women can relate. Again soaps are mandatory entertainment as TPTB think.

    #10644   2013/05/13 01:58PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    MsSuperSuds
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    Shalaydra, with all the degradation and destruction to women on Y&R that this writing team has done, very few female audience members trust this writing team to do a better job of their portrayal of women. We thought MAB was bad but this team continues the practice and cuts to the bone. Lily has a muzzle on her mouth to everyone except her dad and Cane. They are the only 2 folks to whom she can defend herself on the show. For another example, I Thought they were redeeming Sharon; but now she is playing sex kitten & booty calls for Adam. Lauren is a lost cause. One last point I will make is that anytime I have responded to anyone's of those type posts, I have been warned by mods that I was bashing posters and/or threatened w/ being banned. Posters come in and bash you but if you defend yourself or disagree in any way, Look out. So I post my thoughts, do a shout-out or respond to regulars, and move on.

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    #10645   2013/05/13 02:01PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    Chicken Alfredo
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    Quote shalaydra75:
    Quote Chicken Alfredo:
    Quote shalaydra75:
    Quote shorty725:
    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote luvroflife: I put nothing past TPTB and their motives.

    What should matter is what this character has represented to young women/mothers. The dull roar for her to be shown as a brainless, trashy woman who places a man above her kids is writing at its worst. And WE women should protest!!

    Will always see CK as a mature young woman who fought the odds for her family. Writers can try to show differently but it will only appeal to a few who enjoy representations of women, especially AA women, shown as less.


    Great post! Society has assumptions about human behavior backwards. It is so much easier to be a horrible, trashy, mean-spirited tramp than a kind-hearted thoughtful person. Self-conrol and consideration for other people are the keys to positive and acceptable behavior. Because actors and actresses have more fun portraying the destructive, mean-spirited, thoughtless characters does not mean that society must adore & revere that kind of behavior. That is why we, especially our youth, are in so much trouble nowadays. "Its just a soap" doesn't cut it anymore. Art imitates life and Life imitates art! Which comes first is anybody's guess.



    Great post Suds. I work in the school system therefore I see life imitating art all of the time with the way that the kids dress trying to impersonate the people that they see on television. I shake my head at some of the things that I see. If watching a woman being degraded and treated like a sexual object without brains is what tptb want young girls to see then they are doing a good job however I refuse to watch.

    Lily has always been a person of quiet strength with class, maturity, style and grace not the person that is being shown on television now who acting like a jealous, empty-headed whimical nothing because of some jerk that doesn't respect her as an intelligent woman or her marriage. That I will not be a party to.

    ITA with your post!!! You have to remember that the posters who are pushing Tily support the degradation of women and do not care about the demise of this soap. There are 2 types of viewers who are pushing for Tily. Those who do not like Lily/Lane and those who want to liberate Cane so that he can take on a prominent role on Y & R. I think a few Tyler fans think that Lily will catapult him to the limelight. These fans do not realize that this s/l is about nothing but marginalizing CK who is not on contract and transforming Cane to a leading man which he cannot be as long as he with Lily.


    There it is again. The generalization. Haven't you ever stopped to think that maybe, just maybe people love them, and thats it? Everything doesn't have an "agenda" or "underlying message". It is what it is. You talk about Tily as something unhealthy, when others on the outside can point out a few unhealthy things about Lane as well. Just saying.



    If so many people love them, how do you explain JG’s inability to rebuild Y & R’s ratings? Before MAB messed up Lane they brought the ratings even when they were in the flirting stage.

    In the old days, I use to enjoy debating with fans who do not like Lane/Lily/Cane, but I have found that most of them do not believe in facts. Moreover, since I have been able to predict ratings slides with s/ls and a lack of character development, I do not see the point. After I deliver my message in this post, I am going to leave you alone.

    The message of this post is there a demographic of women who do not enjoy watching women torn down; those women are going to leave in droves and those that have left will definitely not come back. I could care less about either Lauren or Michael; however, I refused to watch scenes degrading Lauren. When Lily goes, there will be no woman left to enjoy. Why do you think that Days is struggling? There is no character to which a certain demographic women can relate. Again soaps are mandatory entertainment as TPTB think.


    I don't understand what the ratings have to do with my previous point , but since you brought it up...


    Do you realize MAB wrote for Y&R years before J&P took control? Do you really expect J&P to rebuild a disaster overnight? MAB was the one that took part in destroying every last character on the show. It takes TIME. Some viewers are expecting a miracle to transpire, when it's simply not possible. I feel the new writers are stuck in between cleaning up the mess MAB left versus writing their own stories. But here's what I don't understand. When the ratings are down, people come out of the woodwork and complain until the cows come home, but when the ratings witness a boost, there's silence. In the end, I feel people just need to sit back and enjoy the show. And if not, just simply don't watch it. It's not that serious, people

    #10646   2013/05/13 02:06PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    Chicken Alfredo
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    In my opinion, what some are suffering from is misplaced feelings. Maybe you all should consider telling these things to Christel? I mean, this is the role she wants. She said so herself. If she's enjoying herself, that's all that should matter, right?

    Ah well,

    xoxo to the beautiful Christel a.k.a Lily. Can't wait to see you tomorrow. #TilyTuesday

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    #10647   2013/05/13 02:08PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    shalaydra75
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    Thanks MsSuperSuds for the warning.

    #10648   2013/05/13 03:22PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    MsSuperSuds
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    Quote shalaydra75: Thanks MsSuperSuds for the warning.


    Shalaydra, I just read a play by play recap of today's CDN show. Believe it or not, the writers are going to finally allow Lily to speak up for herself. The girl finally has attitude and a voice to speak her mind! Will wonders ever cease? I hope this is a beginning for things on this show to improve for Christel. Five years of having no voice and having to take sh$t off everybody in your orbit except your husband could not possibly be fun for her to play Lily that way. Wonder what other bombshells regarding Lily the writers are going to drop on viewers during May sweeps? I guess they will do a lot of changes to get viewers watching and spike the ratings again, won't they? Seems as if LANERS are loving this new Lily. Let's hope she lasts past May sweeps! Will check in again later.

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    #10649   2013/05/13 03:40PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    Rfan
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    I see the real Lily stood up today according to recaps. This is the Lily we knew before MAB muzzled her to prop her pet. Lily is a classy lady but also a fighter when it is called for. This is he Lily that stood up to her father in law the head of the Mob. Lily Ashby is back she has not lost her touch. She has always been a defender of others. That was one of the things I always loved about her friendship with Colleen they would scrap for each other in a heartbeat. Go Tiger Lily. Now I hope she stays this way and stop letting people take advantage of her.

    #10650   2013/05/13 04:01PM
    Re: New! Non-Bash Thread for Lily!
    shalaydra75
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    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote shalaydra75: Thanks MsSuperSuds for the warning.


    Shalaydra, I just read a play by play recap of today's CDN show. Believe it or not, the writers are going to finally allow Lily to speak up for herself. The girl finally has attitude and a voice to speak her mind! Will wonders ever cease? I hope this is a beginning for things on this show to improve for Christel. Five years of having no voice and having to take sh$t off everybody in your orbit except your husband could not possibly be fun for her to play Lily that way. Wonder what other bombshells regarding Lily the writers are going to drop on viewers during May sweeps? I guess they will do a lot of changes to get viewers watching and spike the ratings again, won't they? Seems as if LANERS are loving this new Lily. Let's hope she lasts past May sweeps! Will check in again later.

    Thanks!!! See, this is why I have so much luv and respect core Lane fans. You guys are full information. After the last dinner scene, I thought I was completely finished with Y & R. I will make sure I watch tomorrow. I do worry that if they get ratings up, they will go after Lane again. It seems as breaking up is a job requirement for writers.

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