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    What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?

    Started by Please_listen at 2013/09/05 09:41AM
    Latest post: 2013/09/10 07:44AM, Views: 3542, Replies: 109
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    #81   2013/09/05 02:14PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
    Please_listen
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    Quote YR2013:
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    Quote Please_listen: ^^^^Adam depending on Jack to make a mends with his father, really? So Adam didn't see a problem getting into bed with his father's enemy knowing Jack could change his mind at any second? Jack doesn't this NOW, but that doesn't mean that cant' change or won't.

    IF Adam meant no harm whatsoever, he should have told his father what he was doing, so jack would be able to blind side him. but since we see it doesnt' take much for Adam to turn on vic like a vicious dog, his desire couldn't have been too sincere.

    I would think Vic standing up for him in public would count for something, but obviously it doesn't, Vic has to be Adam's fool in order for them to get alone right?


    Victor told Adam he was on his own. Until he heard that Billy was behind Melanie claims and using it to get back with Victoria. Then he gave Adam his support. Victor doesn't like his children being independent.We see that with his not showing up to Nick's club opening.Victoria is happy with Billy and he every step of the way does every thing to destroy her family. Billy makes Victoria stronger and he can't stand it. Victoria and Nick have forgiven time and time again and he destroys their life. Because he must have control over them. Let Victoria rejoice over his fall out with Adam head back over to NE with daddy. It will cause her dearly. Jack has really supported Adam despite his hatred for Victor. A good father will support his son and put his hatred for Jack aside. But Victor is incapable of such love and devotion we see that again with Nick and Summer. Adam gave him room but protected his self in the mean time. Victor is just a lousy father and doesn't deserve any loyalty.


    Well that's questionable, Billy has hurt Vikki all on his own enough, this time around with the gambling, Bill did that because he couldn't handle the pressure of having another child with vikki...that made vikki miserable, and that was at the hands of billy.

    Vic was wrong about the things Bill would bring into Vikki's life, she got kidnapped because of him, she's raising another woman's child, and she has a weak gambler for a husband, Vikki hasn't been all smiles with Billy and vic told her that from day one. But it's okay for vikki to give who she feels deserves another chance, but Vic can't unless he has her approval.

    I know Vic's history, but I also know his kids history as well.


    Gamblers that were hired by Victor to exploit Billy's weakness. Victoria doesn't know this when she finds out.She will be running from her daddy and looking to cut him off again.Victor schemes almost killed Summer because he couldn't control one of his pawns. Yet he was willing to exchange Sharon medication knowing the danger she capable of when off her meds. And again putting his grandchildren and children at risk when not if it backfires. Adam's life took a dark turn when he found out Victor was his father. He has used him time and time again and then throw him under the bus. But Adam is naive and still hoping to be close to him. Well I hope that will come to end with him having his own child. He will try to be different. And start his own life and family and let Victor wreck havoc on his other children.


    Funny how that was ignored. Victor is always hiring someone to do harm to his enemy. Coward.



    First of, Vic didn't hire a PI to harm Adam, he hired him to find out the truth.

    #82   2013/09/05 02:16PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote JBosh: Adam haven't betrayed victor yet, quite the opposite. Victor started this not adam, adam just expected things to be different for once with his dad that he never had by his side for once,jack has human intentions with the buyout of newman going private, it was merely so adam could get closer to his dad, adam knew this so he took the money for a better relationship with victor, he knew his dad would be impressed by this so he did it for victor more than himself.But another reason adam invested the money in newman was to assure he would have something to fall back if the relationship with his dad went sour, because he always had his guard if victor turns on him, adam is no dummy by a long shot. So this whole victor is the victim thing I'm not in the slightest buying it, victor started this war.


    Exactly! Adam and Jack both now that old Vic can't be trusted. In fact, Victor wouldn't wince at taking over Chancellor if Adam wasn't in the company. He wants it all to himself and he is tring to catch Adam at anything to get him out. He is using Adam and he has used Adam. Adam is not his fool, he knows it and he is covering himself. That is why Jack in this. Jack knows old Vic only too well and he knows what he is capable of.

    #83   2013/09/05 02:24PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Jack looks for more opportunties to go after vic than anyone. When he was with Nikki, engaged to be married, he had Jabot all to his self, and what does he do. Come after vic and NE, by trying to take over BON, then he goes and offers Vic's daughter a job, knowing how that would make Vic feel.

    Jack is not going to do anything wait til the perfect opportunity and stick it to Vic holding as much stock as he does in that company.

    Knowing that and teaming up with jack anyway, doesn't seem like to me what it does to everyone else here.

    #84   2013/09/05 02:27PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    OT: I want to thank you all for such a lively debate, it was really refreshing to be able to disagree, and still remain pleasant and considerate of each other feelings. I truly enjoyed exchanging POVs with everyone, we may not agree on this subject, but we sure did have alot of input and opinions, and that's what makes MBs great, different opinions and views, but all coming together amicably and discussing them together without insults and assaults...you guys have been great...but I gotta run, got to get my workout in before the NFL Season kick off tonite.....

    You guys have a good one, enjoyed this tremendously looking forward to more meaty debates....THANKS!

    #85   2013/09/05 02:54PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Please_listen: I mean since the shooting, I have seen nothing but Vic supporting Adam, defending him, accepting him and even in the rape case didn't try to boot Adam out of NE.

    So exactly what did Vic to that made Adam go after him this time? What did he do to show he would never accept Adam when Vic told vikki to accept adam or go home basically. Vic didn't turn on Adam at any point since the shooting, he did however not put all his trust in Adam and that's expected, but he was there for Adam and Adam wants his unconditional support while he's betraying him the whole time

    I don't get it?


    Boy, do I ever agree!

    What the heck does Adam want? He treats Victor like the man is stupid! It's insulting!

    Victor is a business man. OF COURSE he wants to know who the investor is! It's common sense! Anyone in their right mind would want to know.

    Adam refusing to tell Victor was a huge red flag!

    Then the lies about "Fish hook"... I mean COME ON does Adam believe Victor is a FOOL to buy that LAME story. It's obvious Adam was LYING and now he's mad because Victor saw through those silly lies.

    This plan of Adam's started immediately after he and Victor started working together. He's been LYING for months and months. I don't know why!

    Adam acts shady and untrustworthy but throws a tantrum that people don't trust him. He is his own worst enemy!

    #86   2013/09/05 02:59PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    I really can't believe Jack is behind this funding.


    Last time I watched Jack was begging his neice for funds to et back Jabot.

    This s/l is twisted....Jack vs Victor is very old.

    But I can't stand Victor and hope he finally looses in teh end.

    Guess it was good after all when Sharon declared him dead.

    #87   2013/09/05 03:02PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote dafyduc: Can you say melanie? She was only there because Victor hired her to spy on Adam. Sorry but this is on Victor


    You bet your booty this is all on Victor, he started it when he hired Melanie to spy on Adam, Victor never trusted Adam from day one so he got a little insurance called Melanie to spy for him and its all gone down hill from there. Victor is evil and he wants to control his kids like he does Newmans, I'm so glad Nick saw the writing on the wall and got out from under his thumb now if Adam can get rid of the snooty Victoria I will be a happy camper.

    #88   2013/09/05 03:05PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Nope! Adam went to Jack first! Victor only hired Melanie when Adam refused to tell him the name of the investor.

    None of this would have started if Adam had just been truthful about the money! Why did he lie to Victor? He knew Victor would hate that Jack owned most of Newman.

    #89   2013/09/05 03:05PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Laloni:
    Quote dafyduc: Can you say melanie? She was only there because Victor hired her to spy on Adam. Sorry but this is on Victor


    You bet your booty this is all on Victor, he started it when he hired Melanie to spy on Adam, Victor never trusted Adam from day one so he got a little insurance called Melanie to spy for him and its all gone down hill from there. Victor is evil and he wants to control his kids like he does Newmans, I'm so glad Nick saw the writing on the wall and got out from under his thumb now if Adam can get rid of the snooty Victoria I will be a happy camper.


    Imagine....Nicklass finally getting it right.

    #90   2013/09/05 04:41PM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Please_listen:
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    But this man attacked Vic's life, he was going after vic's wife and money, so he had a right to defend himself or retiliate, so what incidents are you talking about vic ruining people's lives before his kids were born?

    Also, the first guy Vikki got involved with had her spread eagle on the hood of cars for some cheap magazine, that' what Vic saved her from. the next guy was a married man, married to Nina, before that cheating with Nina.

    It's because of Vic those kids had the cushion lifestyle they grew accustom to, Vic may not have been the best father, but what example did he have has how to be one. With the father he had, he was damn lucky to become at the very least a provider for his family, his kids wanted for nothing, they had the good life, money, cars, education, mansion, horses, everything.

    for man who's father believed in abandoning his kids and not lifting a damn finger to provide for them, vic did a hell of a job with his own family.


    So it seems to me like you feel the ole man is an awesome father because of what he can give or provide for his kids and family, but the problem with that is, people don't like to be controlled and they want to have a life of their own. Living in the lap of luxury and feeling like you're not allow to breath until someone tells you to, isn't living to some. Everything Victor has done to his family and friends, his enemies and associates, is okay but not what his son does right? GMB


    That's not what I said, I said that given his upbringing, he did the best he could. How would Vic learn how to give love, compassion or even patience if it was never given to him. why isn't vic's up bring ever a factor in how he came to be the man and father he is today, when every aspect of Adam's is brought up and used as a defense.

    Given Vic's childhood, given his none relatioship with his abusive father, I can understand how he may not have all the warm and fuzzy, but one thing they can't say is that Vic hasn't saved their butts time and time again, that they wouldn't have half the crap they do today because of him. Vic wasn't handed anything on a sliver platter, he worked and earned every single thing he had, so if he was hard on his kids, to much given, much is required. But the main problem with his brats is that they didn't want Vic saying ANYTHING to them, even with his own company, he was suppose to not have a say in anything because they didn't want to hear it.

    Vic was not the perfect father, but he was a better father than his father was to him, and that's all a person can strive for.


    I'm not discounting Victor's past, none of it, good or bad. It plays a big role in who he is and who he isn't, but the problem is, you're defending Victor and ignoring all the terrible things he's done too. Pining all this on Adam, is a little one-sided. This is about both of them and their inability to trust and have normal relationships.

    You can't tell me Victor isn't a controlling idiot. He wants to control everything and everyone. He does not know how NOT to be in control. That will drive anyone away, including his kids and wife, that's why he's had so many failed marriages with the women either going insane or finding their way to the bottom of a bottle.

    Granted, Victor never had a daddy figure, but he's been a father and a husband for a long time and he's a grandfather too, so when is he going to learn and get it right? He's this brilliant business man who exact justice on others, all seeing, all knowing, all powerful, but can't get his ish together to maintain healthy relationships with his wife and children? GMB He TELLS everyone around him what to do and who to choose and how to do it, but he's incapable of change and taking advice?

    I think a person can strive for the stars and moon, there is no limits, it's our minds that limit us and I think yes, Victor is a better man than his father, but he can be an even BETTER man and stop being a bully, evil, control freak who has to have revenge.



    All I'm saying is, I never hear about Vic's childhood, just about everything he does wrong. And All I hear about is Adam's childhood and how it's all Vic's fault, and Adam is justified in killing his unborn child, terrorizing his wife, taking his company, framing him for a crime he didn't do, partner up with his enemies and the list goes on.

    Vic is who he is, faults and all, but he's by far, not alone in the mistakes he makes or the people he's hurt.


    Could it be the reason you're always hearing about everything he does wrong, is because he does a lot of things wrong?

    I can only agree with some things you say. Adam's chip on his shoulder is related to his father and siblings. Adam never part take of his father's love, he's the outsider and when he came to town, it wasn't exactly warm and inviting. He knows that Vikki, Nick and Abby are Victor's favorites. I would feel like an outsider if that was me.

    I don't deny any thing Adam does or has done in his past, but I won't string him or lock him in a basement because what he has done against Victor, is wrong, but Victor has done that and more to other families and other people on the show. Father against son and son against father, now it's safe for the rest of GC to go on living while these two take each other out.


    That wasn't Vic's doing, when adam came to town he made it known he was NOT there to do any family bonding, then he gets his noise out of joint, when the same felt towards him, that he feels about them.

    The bottom line is, Adam is holding vic solely responsible for something, that it took TWO people to do, his father AND his mother. The only thing is, Vic had no malicious intent giving into Adam's mother's wishes, why is he being treated as if he was. Vic was doing an act of kindness to a blind woman, giving her the only thing she asked for which was raise HER on without the influence of vic.

    Everything Adam has done to Vic stems from that, and that's not fair, the thing is, it's gotten old, Adam his revenge and then some when he took Vic's unborn child's life, that should be enough to satisfy anyone taste for blood, but obviously it's not.


    We can go back and forth on this, but the bottom line is, Adam and his dad are two of a kind. Victor doesn't deserve any better than what Adam has given him and Adam doesn't deserve any better than Victor has given him. They both know each other ruthlessness and that's what blocks any relationship they could have. Adam is no fool, he knows his daddy's true intentions and he knows why his mother raised him on the farm. I think Hope knew what Victor was like and she wanted to save her son the pain of dealing with his control freak father.

    You're overly concern about Victor unborn child, why aren't you so concern about Colleen or Summer? Why aren't you so concern about Patty, Skye,Chelsea, Melanie, or the prostitute he hired to frame Jack? Because he help to kill Coleen, he's saved his own life. How convenient it works out for Vic every time.

    I hope Jack and Adam succeed and put the ole war tool in the shed where he belong.

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