Quote Please_listen: ^^^^Who's life did Vic ruin before his kids were born? Because up til then, the only thing I remember Vic doing was holding the man trying to make a fool out of his wife in prison in his basement, that I remember....
But this man attacked Vic's life, he was going after vic's wife and money, so he had a right to defend himself or retiliate, so what incidents are you talking about vic ruining people's lives before his kids were born?
Also, the first guy Vikki got involved with had her spread eagle on the hood of cars for some cheap magazine, that' what Vic saved her from. the next guy was a married man, married to Nina, before that cheating with Nina.
It's because of Vic those kids had the cushion lifestyle they grew accustom to, Vic may not have been the best father, but what example did he have has how to be one. With the father he had, he was damn lucky to become at the very least a provider for his family, his kids wanted for nothing, they had the good life, money, cars, education, mansion, horses, everything.
for man who's father believed in abandoning his kids and not lifting a damn finger to provide for them, vic did a hell of a job with his own family.
So it seems to me like you feel the ole man is an awesome father because of what he can give or provide for his kids and family, but the problem with that is, people don't like to be controlled and they want to have a life of their own. Living in the lap of luxury and feeling like you're not allow to breath until someone tells you to, isn't living to some. Everything Victor has done to his family and friends, his enemies and associates, is okay but not what his son does right? GMB
That's not what I said, I said that given his upbringing, he did the best he could. How would Vic learn how to give love, compassion or even patience if it was never given to him. why isn't vic's up bring ever a factor in how he came to be the man and father he is today, when every aspect of Adam's is brought up and used as a defense.
Given Vic's childhood, given his none relatioship with his abusive father, I can understand how he may not have all the warm and fuzzy, but one thing they can't say is that Vic hasn't saved their butts time and time again, that they wouldn't have half the crap they do today because of him. Vic wasn't handed anything on a sliver platter, he worked and earned every single thing he had, so if he was hard on his kids, to much given, much is required. But the main problem with his brats is that they didn't want Vic saying ANYTHING to them, even with his own company, he was suppose to not have a say in anything because they didn't want to hear it.
Vic was not the perfect father, but he was a better father than his father was to him, and that's all a person can strive for.
I'm not discounting Victor's past, none of it, good or bad. It plays a big role in who he is and who he isn't, but the problem is, you're defending Victor and ignoring all the terrible things he's done too. Pining all this on Adam, is a little one-sided. This is about both of them and their inability to trust and have normal relationships.
You can't tell me Victor isn't a controlling idiot. He wants to control everything and everyone. He does not know how NOT to be in control. That will drive anyone away, including his kids and wife, that's why he's had so many failed marriages with the women either going insane or finding their way to the bottom of a bottle.
Granted, Victor never had a daddy figure, but he's been a father and a husband for a long time and he's a grandfather too, so when is he going to learn and get it right? He's this brilliant business man who exact justice on others, all seeing, all knowing, all powerful, but can't get his ish together to maintain healthy relationships with his wife and children? GMB He TELLS everyone around him what to do and who to choose and how to do it, but he's incapable of change and taking advice?
I think a person can strive for the stars and moon, there is no limits, it's our minds that limit us and I think yes, Victor is a better man than his father, but he can be an even BETTER man and stop being a bully, evil, control freak who has to have revenge.
All I'm saying is, I never hear about Vic's childhood, just about everything he does wrong. And All I hear about is Adam's childhood and how it's all Vic's fault, and Adam is justified in killing his unborn child, terrorizing his wife, taking his company, framing him for a crime he didn't do, partner up with his enemies and the list goes on.
Vic is who he is, faults and all, but he's by far, not alone in the mistakes he makes or the people he's hurt.