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    What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?

    Started by Please_listen at 2013/09/05 09:41AM
    Latest post: 2013/09/10 07:44AM, Views: 3638, Replies: 109
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    #41   2013/09/05 11:27AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Please_listen: I mean since the shooting, I have seen nothing but Vic supporting Adam, defending him, accepting him and even in the rape case didn't try to boot Adam out of NE.

    So exactly what did Vic to that made Adam go after him this time? What did he do to show he would never accept Adam when Vic told vikki to accept adam or go home basically. Vic didn't turn on Adam at any point since the shooting, he did however not put all his trust in Adam and that's expected, but he was there for Adam and Adam wants his unconditional support while he's betraying him the whole time

    I don't get it?


    Ita. I find it hypocritical of Adam to have such a hissy fit and go into Victor's house, preaching about Victor stabbing him in the back by bugging his phone and having him followed, when Adam has been up to no good all along. Not sure whether this aired in the US as yet, but Adam went over to Jack's house, and they were talking about seeing Victor lose something he really wanted to keep or something like that. So basically, if I'm understanding correctly, Adam's ultimate goal was to push Victor out of NE, and use Victor's enimy in order to make that happen. So all this talk about family and loyalty was just crap from Adam. He's just whining because Victor didn't believe the pack of ish he was selling when it came to the secret private investor...


    No matter what Vic does, it will never be enough, it use to be he not accepting Adam into this family, he's done that, it use to be putting Vikki and Nick before him, now Vic has stood up to both Vikki/Nick about Adam, he didn't accept him as a Newman, Vic accepted him, reached out to him, and told his family to accept him, what more can Vic do for this boy?


    Apparently what Vic can do for this boy is give him NE...


    And it still wouldn't be enough, Adam has had NE for a while now, and he still once his ounce of flesh.

    #42   2013/09/05 11:30AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote JBosh: Adam haven't betrayed victor yet, quite the opposite. Victor started this not adam, adam just expected things to be different for once with his dad that he never had by his side for once,jack has human intentions with the buyout of newman going private, it was merely so adam could get closer to his dad, adam knew this so he took the money for a better relationship with victor, he knew his dad would be impressed by this so he did it for victor more than himself.But another reason adam invested the money in newman was to assure he would have something to fall back if the relationship with his dad went sour, because he always had his guard if victor turns on him, adam is no dummy by a long shot. So this whole victor is the victim thing I'm not in the slightest buying it, victor started this war.


    The war was suppose to history, after Adam took that bullet, since then, Vic has done nothing to Adam, but work, with him at NE, but Adam has been aiding Jack in getting vic's company, so who is betraying who here?

    Back tracking as for this war, Vic didn't start this war, Hope did, by begging Vic to let her raise her son on the farm. Adam came to town with the malicious intent to make vic pay for honoring his blind mother's wishes, sounds like to me Adam should have declared war on his mother not JUST vic, it took two.

    Besides that, Vic suffered dearly for that, he wife was terrorized in her own home, he lost his unborn child, at the hands of Adam, he's lost his company, what more does he have to pay for mistakes he didn't make alone?

    If Adam planned on holding on to this for life, why go thur the pretense to want a relationship with his father, when all he's gonna do is everytime get disappointed by Vic, he goes for the juggler.


    But Victor deserve all those things that happen to him and those who he loved around him. How many times didn't Victor hire a woman or man to do some dirty work that ended in tragedy? Look at what happen to Summer and Colleen. The only winner in that situation was Victor. Summer was in the hospital, Colleen died. Victor hired Melanie to play Adam, and she did for about 2 seconds, until Adam found her out.

    Adam has done some horrid things, but he's his daddy's boy and you know what they say, like father, like son.


    Whether he deserved them or not, he paid at the hands of Adam, so Adam exacted his revenge on his father and still it's not enough. vic didn't kill one person in Adam's life, he didn't take his mother from him, he didn't ruin his childhood, he didn't get abused or raped as a child, so what's the huge damage done to Adam by Vic, that the life of unborn child didn't pay for?


    There are no specifics about karma, the only things that is known, is that it will come around, the way it went around!

    Victor has done unmentionable things to many innocent people and all of it was done for revenge and self interest. There were so many innocent people/families caught in the cross fire and when it over and clear in the horizons, and the casualties were left, Victor was NEVER one of them. There is a time when payment has be made.

    Adam was the one to bring karma to Victor, it's sad but it hurts even more when it's a family member or love one who betrays us and that's what happen to Vic. The evil rise in his own house and how fitting for a man so evil.



    Ok you're condemning Vic for hurting innocent people, but you are praising Adam for dishing up revenge or karma on Vic, but he has hurt innocent people as well, so when does he get served up what he has coming? What about the man he tricked like he was helping him by denoting a kidney only to end up costing the man his life? The man's son came up and thanked him for saving his father's life, so does that same boy deserve to have the right to go after Adam when he finds out Adam played on his father illness and ended up dead?

    Or does this apply to Vic only?


    Where did you see me praising Adam? As mentioned in many of my posts, Adam and his father are both cut from the same cloth. They think alike and act alike. Victor always wants to have the upper hand, and Adam is the same. They are two peas in a pod and because of that, they can't be trusted. One is always thinking how to out do the other. They are suspicious and paranoid and it's like they can't help themselves because the little voice in their heads tell them that they can't trust.

    How many times haven't we seen Victor going behind someone back and stabbing them? I'm pointing out that it's fitting for Adam to be the one to betrays Victor because it's always Victor doing it.

    People talk of karma, but it seems like they think karma should only be served by an appointed somebody, when in truth, it can come from anywhere at anytime and by anyone, even a family member.

    #43   2013/09/05 11:34AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    ^^^^^^So should Adam's karma come from his son? He has caused innocent people harm as well, Ashley, he caused her her baby, the man with the kidney, he caused his son his father, the pain and heartache he caused Sharon and Nick stealing their child...

    Adam has no room to talk or dish Karma when he equally guilty of the same offenses.

    #44   2013/09/05 11:39AM
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    Quote dafyduc: Can you say melanie? She was only there because Victor hired her to spy on Adam. Sorry but this is on Victor


    But Jack was Adan's secret investor before Melanie came on the scene, though, if I remember correctly. Melanie came in to do the signing of the papers, after Adam got the money from Jack. So Adam trying to steal the company from under Victor was thought up before Melanie came on the scene...jmo



    That's what I thought too, so the dishonesty was on Adam's end from the beginning, yet vic is getting the blame because he won't be Adam's fool or puppet. does Adam have the right to play Vic even if Vic is making a sincere effort to mend fences?


    I think that Vic became suspicious of Adam once he wouldn't reveal who the investor was. And Vic had a good reason to because Adam decided to work with Jack, Vic's enimy. To me, you can't be dishonest and then cry when you've been caught being dishonest. (He doth protest too much). And from the looks of it, Adam had the intention of pushing Vic out of NE anyway, so it's not like Vic wronged Adam by bugging him.
    I think that Adam needs to spend some time with Doctor Watkins...

    #45   2013/09/05 11:43AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Please_listen: ^^^^Who's life did Vic ruin before his kids were born? Because up til then, the only thing I remember Vic doing was holding the man trying to make a fool out of his wife in prison in his basement, that I remember....

    But this man attacked Vic's life, he was going after vic's wife and money, so he had a right to defend himself or retiliate, so what incidents are you talking about vic ruining people's lives before his kids were born?

    Also, the first guy Vikki got involved with had her spread eagle on the hood of cars for some cheap magazine, that' what Vic saved her from. the next guy was a married man, married to Nina, before that cheating with Nina.

    It's because of Vic those kids had the cushion lifestyle they grew accustom to, Vic may not have been the best father, but what example did he have has how to be one. With the father he had, he was damn lucky to become at the very least a provider for his family, his kids wanted for nothing, they had the good life, money, cars, education, mansion, horses, everything.

    for man who's father believed in abandoning his kids and not lifting a damn finger to provide for them, vic did a hell of a job with his own family.


    So obviously you think it's fair for Victor to take the law into his own hand and serve justice as he please? I thought criminals are turn over to the law enforcement. Victor always takes the law into his own hands and thinks he's Mr. Untouchable. His life has been about this and getting what he wants. His son Adam is following in his footsteps and the ole man should be happy because he wants his kids to be more like him. Problem with that is, he never thought his own son would betray him.

    The war between Jack and Victor has been going on for decades with no end in sight. Because of Victor, Nikki and Jack lost their child. Can we call it even now because Victor lost a child, or no karma is allowed to follow the ole man?

    #46   2013/09/05 11:43AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Please_listen:
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    Quote Please_listen: I mean since the shooting, I have seen nothing but Vic supporting Adam, defending him, accepting him and even in the rape case didn't try to boot Adam out of NE.

    So exactly what did Vic to that made Adam go after him this time? What did he do to show he would never accept Adam when Vic told vikki to accept adam or go home basically. Vic didn't turn on Adam at any point since the shooting, he did however not put all his trust in Adam and that's expected, but he was there for Adam and Adam wants his unconditional support while he's betraying him the whole time

    I don't get it?


    Ita. I find it hypocritical of Adam to have such a hissy fit and go into Victor's house, preaching about Victor stabbing him in the back by bugging his phone and having him followed, when Adam has been up to no good all along. Not sure whether this aired in the US as yet, but Adam went over to Jack's house, and they were talking about seeing Victor lose something he really wanted to keep or something like that. So basically, if I'm understanding correctly, Adam's ultimate goal was to push Victor out of NE, and use Victor's enimy in order to make that happen. So all this talk about family and loyalty was just crap from Adam. He's just whining because Victor didn't believe the pack of ish he was selling when it came to the secret private investor...


    No matter what Vic does, it will never be enough, it use to be he not accepting Adam into this family, he's done that, it use to be putting Vikki and Nick before him, now Vic has stood up to both Vikki/Nick about Adam, he didn't accept him as a Newman, Vic accepted him, reached out to him, and told his family to accept him, what more can Vic do for this boy?


    Apparently what Vic can do for this boy is give him NE...


    And it still wouldn't be enough, Adam has had NE for a while now, and he still once his ounce of flesh.


    Then I think that Vic deserves an ounce of flesh for the child that Adam caused to die...

    #47   2013/09/05 11:48AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Please_listen: ^^^^^^So should Adam's karma come from his son? He has caused innocent people harm as well, Ashley, he caused her her baby, the man with the kidney, he caused his son his father, the pain and heartache he caused Sharon and Nick stealing their child...

    Adam has no room to talk or dish Karma when he equally guilty of the same offenses.


    Adam deserves Karma from all the people he hurt and didn't take responsibility for (except for SN because he half-assed apologized to her last year).

    #48   2013/09/05 11:49AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote Please_listen: ^^^^Who's life did Vic ruin before his kids were born? Because up til then, the only thing I remember Vic doing was holding the man trying to make a fool out of his wife in prison in his basement, that I remember....

    But this man attacked Vic's life, he was going after vic's wife and money, so he had a right to defend himself or retiliate, so what incidents are you talking about vic ruining people's lives before his kids were born?

    Also, the first guy Vikki got involved with had her spread eagle on the hood of cars for some cheap magazine, that' what Vic saved her from. the next guy was a married man, married to Nina, before that cheating with Nina.

    It's because of Vic those kids had the cushion lifestyle they grew accustom to, Vic may not have been the best father, but what example did he have has how to be one. With the father he had, he was damn lucky to become at the very least a provider for his family, his kids wanted for nothing, they had the good life, money, cars, education, mansion, horses, everything.

    for man who's father believed in abandoning his kids and not lifting a damn finger to provide for them, vic did a hell of a job with his own family.


    So it seems to me like you feel the ole man is an awesome father because of what he can give or provide for his kids and family, but the problem with that is, people don't like to be controlled and they want to have a life of their own. Living in the lap of luxury and feeling like you're not allow to breath until someone tells you to, isn't living to some. Everything Victor has done to his family and friends, his enemies and associates, is okay but not what his son does right? GMB

    #49   2013/09/05 11:49AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote YR2013:
    Quote Please_listen: ^^^^Who's life did Vic ruin before his kids were born? Because up til then, the only thing I remember Vic doing was holding the man trying to make a fool out of his wife in prison in his basement, that I remember....

    But this man attacked Vic's life, he was going after vic's wife and money, so he had a right to defend himself or retiliate, so what incidents are you talking about vic ruining people's lives before his kids were born?

    Also, the first guy Vikki got involved with had her spread eagle on the hood of cars for some cheap magazine, that' what Vic saved her from. the next guy was a married man, married to Nina, before that cheating with Nina.

    It's because of Vic those kids had the cushion lifestyle they grew accustom to, Vic may not have been the best father, but what example did he have has how to be one. With the father he had, he was damn lucky to become at the very least a provider for his family, his kids wanted for nothing, they had the good life, money, cars, education, mansion, horses, everything.

    for man who's father believed in abandoning his kids and not lifting a damn finger to provide for them, vic did a hell of a job with his own family.


    So obviously you think it's fair for Victor to take the law into his own hand and serve justice as he please? I thought criminals are turn over to the law enforcement. Victor always takes the law into his own hands and thinks he's Mr. Untouchable. His life has been about this and getting what he wants. His son Adam is following in his footsteps and the ole man should be happy because he wants his kids to be more like him. Problem with that is, he never thought his own son would betray him.

    The war between Jack and Victor has been going on for decades with no end in sight. Because of Victor, Nikki and Jack lost their child. Can we call it even now because Victor lost a child, or no karma is allowed to follow the ole man?


    I think Vic had every right to retiliate against this man he'd never done a thing to him, that choose to come after him. I simply mentioned that to say, what other people lives has he ruined since before his kids were born.

    Now you all off the subject, Nikki and Jack's child was lost because Nikki wanted to keep an argument between her and Vic going, and he walked off, she ran up the stairs after him and fell, how is that his doing, when he was walking away?

    Nikki's problem was she was still very much in love with Vic and she needed any interaction with him, even if it was an argument, Vic was walking away, had she left things alone, she would have delivered a healthy baby, why is Vic being blamed for Nikki not taking better care of her unborn child to run up a flight of stairs?

    #50   2013/09/05 11:55AM
    Re: What EXACTLY Did Vic Do To Adam This Time?
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    Quote YR2013:
    Quote Please_listen: ^^^^Who's life did Vic ruin before his kids were born? Because up til then, the only thing I remember Vic doing was holding the man trying to make a fool out of his wife in prison in his basement, that I remember....

    But this man attacked Vic's life, he was going after vic's wife and money, so he had a right to defend himself or retiliate, so what incidents are you talking about vic ruining people's lives before his kids were born?

    Also, the first guy Vikki got involved with had her spread eagle on the hood of cars for some cheap magazine, that' what Vic saved her from. the next guy was a married man, married to Nina, before that cheating with Nina.

    It's because of Vic those kids had the cushion lifestyle they grew accustom to, Vic may not have been the best father, but what example did he have has how to be one. With the father he had, he was damn lucky to become at the very least a provider for his family, his kids wanted for nothing, they had the good life, money, cars, education, mansion, horses, everything.

    for man who's father believed in abandoning his kids and not lifting a damn finger to provide for them, vic did a hell of a job with his own family.


    So it seems to me like you feel the ole man is an awesome father because of what he can give or provide for his kids and family, but the problem with that is, people don't like to be controlled and they want to have a life of their own. Living in the lap of luxury and feeling like you're not allow to breath until someone tells you to, isn't living to some. Everything Victor has done to his family and friends, his enemies and associates, is okay but not what his son does right? GMB


    That's not what I said, I said that given his upbringing, he did the best he could. How would Vic learn how to give love, compassion or even patience if it was never given to him. why isn't vic's up bring ever a factor in how he came to be the man and father he is today, when every aspect of Adam's is brought up and used as a defense.

    Given Vic's childhood, given his none relatioship with his abusive father, I can understand how he may not have all the warm and fuzzy, but one thing they can't say is that Vic hasn't saved their butts time and time again, that they wouldn't have half the crap they do today because of him. Vic wasn't handed anything on a sliver platter, he worked and earned every single thing he had, so if he was hard on his kids, to much given, much is required. But the main problem with his brats is that they didn't want Vic saying ANYTHING to them, even with his own company, he was suppose to not have a say in anything because they didn't want to hear it.

    Vic was not the perfect father, but he was a better father than his father was to him, and that's all a person can strive for.

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