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    YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

    Started by MsSuperSuds at 2013/08/30 11:24AM
    Latest post: 2013/09/09 09:59AM, Views: 3285, Replies: 51
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    #31   2013/09/02 09:36PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    shalaydra75
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    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote shalaydra75:
    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote billsboy: I hate to say this but when Lynn Marie Latham was writing the show (and it was bad then) it was NOT as BAD as it is now.


    There is a big difference in the creative processes of the three regimes. Lynn Marie Latham could at least write coherent stories with a beginning, a middle or climax and a resolution. I think most viewers who objected to her writing objected to the stories moreso than how they were written. LML was a writer who could tell good stories. I also liked that she was willing to go out on a limb (vary from the norm) to create new and/or or fresh stories whether you liked them or not. Can't say the same for either MAB's or JFP's regimes. Shock & awe w/ lots of sexual hookups, short marriages, quickie divorces masquerading as good storylines are not entertaining and just do not fit Y&R. Business storylines got lost somewhere & are never as good as then. One thing is for certain & that is LML kept the ratings above 4.0 while her successors have not.


    Suds, ITA!!! I want to add that LML increased ratings dramatically. I quickly glanced over the ratings during LML's tenure. Most weeks, her ratings were much higher than the previous year. Moreover, on at least 4 occasions, her ratings were over 700,000 higher than the previous year. Whether posters like LML are not, she was good for business.


    Lynn Marie Latham was also the principal or Head writer for Knotts Landing for years. She is responsible for Ted Schackleford's career on both KL and Y&R. I remember Donna Mills, Karen, Gary & Valene Ewing almost as if they happened yesterday, so LML has created many memorable characters. Lynn Marie Latham was and is an established writer from primetime soaps; so I differ w/ the notion that she was & is not a good writer. I love her b/c she gave me Lily and Cane Ashby. That relationship alone is one that was created outside the box on so many levels. LML wrote romances and good business storylines. MAB & JFP write impulsive sexual hookups & sexcapades as an attempt to show romance which do not work very well or last very long. Business storylines, equality for women, and Love/romance in the afternoon are lost on these latter two female HWs.


    Thanks for the historical background of LML. I remember Knots Landing. I agree that LML knows how to create characters; however, I enjoyed her use of established characters too. I remember that I left Y&R in the early 1990s, but when I returned in 2007, it was easy for me to catch up. Most of the characters that I remembered were still in GC. As you stated most of the women had corporate jobs. The young women were in college and some had jobs. There was romance. I think that another important factor was that LML created non-romantic relationships. Most characters had friends. The family connections were outstanding.

    I will say it again-soap critics and boards are killing soaps. It amazing to me when people talk negatively about LML when in reality, she significantly elevated Y&R's ratings. Now, That is a fact. Soap critics thought Days deserved the Emmy for the no. 1 soap, but Days 18-49 women category has actually fallen below 500,000 on several occasions, and its fighting GH for the last spot. That does not make since to me.

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    #32   2013/09/02 09:57PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    shalaydra75
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    Quote Deana4Villy:
    Quote ChrissyK: The show is probably down because of the 3 million people who have TWC in LA, NY and Dallas that can't watch Y&R or any CBS show due to the dispute btw the 2 parties.


    Excellent point. I don't know why it surprised me, but it did when I saw one of the star's post on Twitter that she couldn't get her own show until she got rid of TWC.


    The real problem is that Y & R ratings from been between 4.2-4.8 since the spring of 2012. Actually, even with the fight between CBS and Dish, Y & R ratings this week is only down 51,000 from last year. Yes, the coveted 18-49 women's category is 124,000 lower than last year; however, if men and other women can watch, the women from 18-49 should be able to. The real bottom-line is that the 18-49 women category has not consistently hit the 1 million mark since Cane's death. Women of child bearing age are not going to watch a character who deliberately killed an unborn child. Most women between 18-49 are working or attending college, thus they will not watch as writers make fools out of women characters.

    #33   2013/09/03 10:25AM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    MsSuperSuds
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    Good posts, Shalaydra! You make some good points. Perhaps I am blind or prejudiced; but I cannot see a great difference in the viewership now than before the cbs dustup w/ TWC.

    Oh yes, I forgot to mention that MAB killed every good friendship and/or working relationship on Y&R & put everyoe into their own little pod, clique or corner of the world. Nobody mixes w/ or interacts w/ anyone outside that small circle which is a shame; b/c it kills the ensemble concept that BB so carefully developed over the years of production. JFP's attempts at friendships, relatioships & romances are falling just as flat as MAB's. There is no real chemistry between partners! And no time is given to the characters to develop any kind of relationships w/ each other.

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    #34   2013/09/03 07:57PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    shalaydra75
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    ITA with your post. The cast segregation is appalling. For 4 years, I only watch episodes with the Winters and Lane and I do not feel that I missed anything.

    #35   2013/09/03 08:00PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    Barbyboo
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    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote Kelby:
    Quote MsSuperSuds: If the rumors are true about Dylan being Nikki's long lost son just to attach him to a prominent family, I think this is going to be a huge mistake for Y&R to make. Sorassing children too quickly and shaking up the family trees has already caused enough grief and altered the history of the show drastically. Everybody in town does not have to related to each other or connected to some rich, prominent family to be a character of importance. Just write some good stories please! I want to see what this does for the ratings--if it is true.

    Dylan is such a boar...they should just let Nikki play out ms story..no more shakes?
    Your post is so on the money. I agree with you whole heartedly.


    Oldtimers & hardcore Y&R fans are getting excited about this Dylan/Nikki hookup as mother & son; b/c it gives MTS a storyline & puts her on the frontburner again. BUT I agree with Nelson Branco. This storyline is not about Nikki at all. Once Dylan is established as Nikki's son, this is all about Dylan & his life & times in GC. Nikki is a vet who is being used to give the character of Dylan some credence and a reason to eat & usurp the frontburner of Y&R alive. JFP is going to see that this happens unless the fans do not respond in a positive manner to it.

    #36   2013/09/03 08:02PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    Barbyboo
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    Quote On a Clear Day:
    Quote Barbyboo: Well lets see why. We now have ghosts galore. We have Sharon ready for looney bin. We have nick living in a shoe house owning a sleezy bar. We have victor constantly screwing his kids. We have Victoria. Dumping Billy then taking him back constantly. Chloe's just a Adam hater giving Chelsea bad advise. We have Chelsea hiding paternity. We have summer moaning over lurch like brother. Wow and which storyline do you think is bringing down the curtain there's so many I need a Santa clause list


    Haha, funny, and sad but true. Hey, don't forget the blogger yawn fest.

    It was soooo boaring I forgot it!

    #37   2013/09/03 08:04PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    Barbyboo
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    Quote Bossier:
    Quote Homesick Cajun:
    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote Kelby:
    Quote MsSuperSuds: If the rumors are true about Dylan being Nikki's long lost son just to attach him to a prominent family, I think this is going to be a huge mistake for Y&R to make. Sorassing children too quickly and shaking up the family trees has already caused enough grief and altered the history of the show drastically. Everybody in town does not have to related to each other or connected to some rich, prominent family to be a character of importance. Just write some good stories please! I want to see what this does for the ratings--if it is true.


    Your post is so on the money. I agree with you whole heartedly.


    Oldtimers & hardcore Y&R fans are getting excited about this Dylan/Nikki hookup as mother & son; b/c it gives MTS a storyline & puts her on the frontburner again. BUT I agree with Nelson Branco. This storyline is not about Nikki at all. Once Dylan is established as Nikki's son, this is all about Dylan & his life & times in GC. Nikki is a vet who is being used to give the character of Dylan some credence and a reason to eat & usurp the frontburner of Y&R alive. JFP is going to see that this happens unless the fans do not respond in a positive manner to it.


    No, this s/l is not about MTS at all. The fans have been quite vocal about the possibility of this s/l and they are not happy about it. My biggest problem with it is not so much the rewriting of history as it is JFP's means to an end, using the death of Jeanne Cooper to take the opportunity to make Dylan (SB) a member of a core family. This s/l should be about JC but JFP has to include SB in the mix and that is just not right. He doesn't deserve to be any part of this s/l. He has not earned that right. This should be about the vets exclusively and how JC impacted their lives. Not how JFP can now make Dylan Nikki's long lost son.

    True.. MTS will be a minor player in the story is my guess.. it will be all about Dullan.
    Dullan like that but it should be duhlin

    #38   2013/09/03 08:13PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    Kelby
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    LML was a better writer, absolutely. But she was flawed. I would take her over the sh.t that has come after her. I could actually watch some full episodes back then.

    #39   2013/09/03 10:39PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    edaem1
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    Quote MsSuperSuds:
    Quote Kelby:
    Quote MsSuperSuds: If the rumors are true about Dylan being Nikki's long lost son just to attach him to a prominent family, I think this is going to be a huge mistake for Y&R to make. Sorassing children too quickly and shaking up the family trees has already caused enough grief and altered the history of the show drastically. Everybody in town does not have to related to each other or connected to some rich, prominent family to be a character of importance. Just write some good stories please! I want to see what this does for the ratings--if it is true.


    Your post is so on the money. I agree with you whole heartedly.


    Oldtimers & hardcore Y&R fans are getting excited about this Dylan/Nikki hookup as mother & son; b/c it gives MTS a storyline & puts her on the frontburner again. BUT I agree with Nelson Branco. This storyline is not about Nikki at all. Once Dylan is established as Nikki's son, this is all about Dylan & his life & times in GC. Nikki is a vet who is being used to give the character of Dylan some credence and a reason to eat & usurp the frontburner of Y&R alive. JFP is going to see that this happens unless the fans do not respond in a positive manner to it.


    I have watched from the first episode and so I guess that makes me an oldtimer and hardcore. Me, and the other old women that I hang out with who have watched for decades, are not excited about JFP's attempt to force her goldne boy down our throats by using a vet to prop him up. I am not a Nikki fan but I love MTS and they both deserve so much better than that.

    #40   2013/09/03 10:45PM
    Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down
    edaem1
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    Quote MsSuperSuds: I had no idea that Thursday's episode was not going to be included as a segment of the dedication & memorial for Katherine Chancellor's death. To throw Dylan's paternity in to piggyback off such a special occasion for the cast, crew & viewers is unforgivable. That is one angle of this whole scenario that I missed. So in addition to using Nikki to get attached to a prominent family & usurp huge amounts of screen time, this Dylan connection to Nikki & the Newmans is going to use Kay's memorial as a springboard. What an awful thing to do!! I agree that Kay's final chapter on the show should not end w/ a beginning for a newby who is going to be the focus of the show from now until--whenever. I can't see the vets, core or other current cast members being too happy about that move. We shall see how well that is received by the viewers. Oh well, This is JFP's baby now w/o JG to blame.

    If 3 million viewers were lost during the TWC/cbs conflict, nothing close to that number shows up as a loss in the ratings for Y&R. At least not the ones I have posted here. So far, I cannot see a direct connection to the loss of customers due to the conflict and the loss of viewership. Perhaps Y&R is using the viewership from TGVN or counting the tweets from twitter to use in the ratings somehow to make up for the losses from the conflict. Or maybe the losses will begin to show up soon.


    Not surprised that they would use Katherine's death to push Dylan. I thought it intolerable when he bought Crimson Lights. Sharon needs a job; something constructive. Why didn't they allow her to re-purchase the coffee shop. I guess it is better that Nick's new brother own it.

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