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    CLOSED: Josh Griffith, aka, "FlopGriff" = Terrible Writer!

    Started by FlopGriff at 2013/06/21 12:02PM
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    #51   2013/06/22 10:00AM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    On a Clear Day
    image

    Quote Amberluver03:
    Quote FlopGriff:
    Bad writing. We've been tricked! This show is quite badly written. There's no subtlety, there's no elegance, there's no irony... it's just an anvilorama.


    Bad writing and bad talent can't be saved. And when you get bad acting you're forced to listen to how bad the writing is. It's bad. Not entirely, but there's a lot of late. They've got structure problems, they've got dialogue problems, they've got pacing problems. This show is in rough shape.




    Word.

    This show is horribly written. It's been 10 months. All I see are FLOPS.


    Wheeler Story. FLOP. Waste of talented actor. Mark Pinter could've been a great nemesis for Victor. Instead he was written as a cartoon villain. Planting a bomb to massacre a family? GMAB! I still don't get his motive. No follow-up. No fallout. Nick, Avery, Vicky, Nikki, never learn of Victor's involvement with Stephanie. All the huffing & puffing Nick did to Victor about putting Avery's life at risk amounts to NOTHING. All is forgotten. Victor is worshipped. Wheeler is a plot point for Adam to take a bullet for Victor. Next!

    Gus Rogan/Belinda Murder. FLOP. Lawd. A hot mess. Leslie & Tyler Michaelson are really Valerie & Davis Rogan. WTF? Why write 2 identities? Then it was Belinda this, Belinda that. Belinda, Belinda, Belinda which turned to Rose, Rose, Rose. Who is Rose? Gus drops dead. Now it's Neil's Gossip Girl escapades and the secret blogger story. Next!

    Newman Inc. FLOP. This regime can't write business stories. Even MAB was better. It started with promise when Jack & Tucker took control and booted Victor. It fell apart when Jack left. The writers forgot NE was publicly traded, the BOD became some phantom off-screen entity that let Adam do whatever. Jack & Tucker's shares were forgotten. Adam, Billy, Sharon, Adam took turns playing CEO. Mason/Sharon bipolar meds, blah, blah. Now NE is allegedly privatized, but again, it's off-screen, no mention of how, or what happened, we're just told Adam found some secret investor, and don't ask any more questions.... Victoria works there for a week & leaves to write children's books. WTF? Nowadays NE is just a place for Adam to drink & whine about Chelsea's baby woes to anyone who will listen. Next!

    Kevin/Chloe/Robin Hood/Bag of Money/Adriana. FLOP. Adriana steals drug money. Alex asks everyone, Where's the money? Chloe & the cat suit breaking into Noah's home to steal the bag of money. Chlovin stealing from richer people and having sex. Robin Hood. Chloe steals from Kay and lets Adriana take the fall & leave town in shame. Kevin does more B&E's. Chloe the troll spends much deserved night in jail & screams about it. These loathesome losers are a waste of space. Why are they still on my screen? Be gone. Next!

    Chelsea's baby lie. FLOP! This character has been pregnant 3 times in a year. N'uff said. Why is she lying about the paternity of her baby? Because that idiot Chloe told her to? Month after month of those two featherbrains Chelsea & Chloe having the same "baby daddy" conversation over and over and over again, I want to smash things and throttle the writers! Dreadful. Rehash of that insipid Chloe/Cane/Billy/Lily baby crap-fest from 5 years ago. Unoriginal. Tedious. Waste of time. STUPID.

    They randomly throw Steve Burton in there, so it gets extra screen time. Week after week of this Chelsea baby story. IT'S PAINFUL and never-ending.

    I actually enjoyed Steve Burton when he first joined the show. I liked Dylan pitted against Nick and making a play for Avery. He sparkled with Sharon Case. He was great with Faith. WHY OH WHY did they have to put JFP's #1 pet in the HORRID Chelsea baby story???? It's cannibalizing the entire show.

    Billy's gambling. Who cares? FLOP! Victoria going crazy on hormones and writing baby books. OMG. No words. I watch YT videos of Bill Bell's Victoria and want to cry. This is so INSULTING and sexist, I cringe.

    Nikki has Multiple Sclerosis. FLOP. Story lasts 5 minutes and got dropped. Pointless.

    Sharon's Bipolar Story. FLOP. Plot point for Adam to play hero and his marriage to fall apart. Whackadoo. Crazypants. Sharon is worse than ever, job-less, friend-less, outcast, pariah, trolling bars for meaningless sex with random men. Only highlight was Lorraine Toussaint who played Dr Watkins. Too bad Sharon ignored everything she said. Next!

    Jamie/Fen/Summer bullying story. The ONLY story that had value under the new regime. Daniel Polo was a real find, and Jamie was the best new character they introduced. The bullying story was surprisingly GOOD until they completely dropped the ball. The resolution was appalling as Jamie apologized to his tormenters, and was promptly shipped off to DC. What a waste. It was all a plot point for Lauren to cheat with Carmine. I like Marco Dapper but they need to give him more to do than just take off his clothes.

    Summer's paternity story. Fans have been waiting for this since 2006. After 7 years, they deserved a pay off. Unfortunately, the ball was dropped. Lousy pacing and poor writing rears its ugly head, sucking all the air out of this storyline. Sorry, I just don't buy that Nick lied for 18 years because he wanted a Cassie replacement. Kyle's sudden interest in Summer screams PLOT POINT. Sharon's non-reaction. WTF? Talk about missing a beat. High point was Nick telling Phyllis, but they lost all momentum by putting this story on the backburner to showcase, you guessed it, CHELSEA'S baby story and the stupid adventures of Chloe & Kevin's miserable lives. WHO CARES? Next!

    Summer's paternity should be the A-tier story driving the entire show. Jack, Nick, Summer, Phyllis front and center. Phyllis is leaving in a month, so let her have the screen time to exit with a bang. Maybe they can turn this around, maybe Peter Bergman can salvage it, but there's only so much good actors can do when the writing fails to deliver. BTW, the image of Phyllis sexing up Kyle sickens me. Truly.

    Other sh*t...

    Sharon inexplicably beds a random dayplayer named Wayne. WTF? Gratuitous. Pointless. Did Sharon need more degradation? Wasn't MAB's 5 years enough? Fcuk you, writers. You promised to fix Sharon. This is not how to do it. She's supposed to be on medication now. If she went off her meds, show us, tell us. Watching her troll bars for more random dick is just depressing.

    JT calls Victoria with a big emergency and texts her that Reed is coming to live with her for undisclosed mysterious reasons. Panic ensues. A month later and still no Reed. WTF? I hate when writers start stories and then just forget. It's lazy and confusing. Sloppy.

    Victoria writing children's books. Come on. Seriously? Note to writers: Victoria belongs in business. Let her run BON, start her own company, work with Abby, join Chancellor, anything.

    Noah Newman. Victor's first grandson. Newman heir. Why is he written like such a loser? He's dirt poor. Can't afford his own apartment or a new couch. Is this guy ever getting a storyline? He pours drinks and bangs random dayplayers off-screen.

    Is it my imagination or has this cast QUADRUPLED?

    JFP's Regime - Grade: F, Fail, utter fail.





    YES YES YES I agree this guy is just bad for business. Wasn't he demoted a time before? And as for this Jill Farren Phelps I DO NOT like her!!! That's why she was fired from other shows for running them down into the ground!


    Josh Griffith filled in as exec producer and head writer on Y&R during writers Guild strike 2007-2008. It was a temporary gig. JFP got fired at GH after a good long while. I am really surprised Y&R chose her with her track record. Many of us were so thrilled to finally get rid of MAB, we didn't care who took over. It could have been the devil himself! But now we are paying for it. I really thought they were going to repair some of the characters and core families. Boy was I dumb.

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    #52   2013/06/22 10:08AM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    candy world
    image

    I argee the show has suck since JG took over. Bringing in pointless characters , pointless recasts , pointless storylines, pointless everything.

    #53   2013/06/22 12:15PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    flowergerl
    image

    Quote FlopGriff:
    Bad writing. We've been tricked! This show is quite badly written. There's no subtlety, there's no elegance, there's no irony... it's just an anvilorama.


    Bad writing and bad talent can't be saved. And when you get bad acting you're forced to listen to how bad the writing is. It's bad. Not entirely, but there's a lot of late. They've got structure problems, they've got dialogue problems, they've got pacing problems. This show is in rough shape.




    Word.

    This show is horribly written. It's been 10 months. All I see are FLOPS.


    Wheeler Story. FLOP. Waste of talented actor. Mark Pinter could've been a great nemesis for Victor. Instead he was written as a cartoon villain. Planting a bomb to massacre a family? GMAB! I still don't get his motive. No follow-up. No fallout. Nick, Avery, Vicky, Nikki, never learn of Victor's involvement with Stephanie. All the huffing & puffing Nick did to Victor about putting Avery's life at risk amounts to NOTHING. All is forgotten. Victor is worshipped. Wheeler is a plot point for Adam to take a bullet for Victor. Next!

    Gus Rogan/Belinda Murder. FLOP. Lawd. A hot mess. Leslie & Tyler Michaelson are really Valerie & Davis Rogan. WTF? Why write 2 identities? Then it was Belinda this, Belinda that. Belinda, Belinda, Belinda which turned to Rose, Rose, Rose. Who is Rose? Gus drops dead. Now it's Neil's Gossip Girl escapades and the secret blogger story. Next!

    Newman Inc. FLOP. This regime can't write business stories. Even MAB was better. It started with promise when Jack & Tucker took control and booted Victor. It fell apart when Jack left. The writers forgot NE was publicly traded, the BOD became some phantom off-screen entity that let Adam do whatever. Jack & Tucker's shares were forgotten. Adam, Billy, Sharon, Adam took turns playing CEO. Mason/Sharon bipolar meds, blah, blah. Now NE is allegedly privatized, but again, it's off-screen, no mention of how, or what happened, we're just told Adam found some secret investor, and don't ask any more questions.... Victoria works there for a week & leaves to write children's books. WTF? Nowadays NE is just a place for Adam to drink & whine about Chelsea's baby woes to anyone who will listen. Next!

    Kevin/Chloe/Robin Hood/Bag of Money/Adriana. FLOP. Adriana steals drug money. Alex asks everyone, Where's the money? Chloe & the cat suit breaking into Noah's home to steal the bag of money. Chlovin stealing from richer people and having sex. Robin Hood. Chloe steals from Kay and lets Adriana take the fall & leave town in shame. Kevin does more B&E's. Chloe the troll spends much deserved night in jail & screams about it. These loathesome losers are a waste of space. Why are they still on my screen? Be gone. Next!

    Chelsea's baby lie. FLOP! This character has been pregnant 3 times in a year. N'uff said. Why is she lying about the paternity of her baby? Because that idiot Chloe told her to? Month after month of those two featherbrains Chelsea & Chloe having the same "baby daddy" conversation over and over and over again, I want to smash things and throttle the writers! Dreadful. Rehash of that insipid Chloe/Cane/Billy/Lily baby crap-fest from 5 years ago. Unoriginal. Tedious. Waste of time. STUPID.

    They randomly throw Steve Burton in there, so it gets extra screen time. Week after week of this Chelsea baby story. IT'S PAINFUL and never-ending.

    I actually enjoyed Steve Burton when he first joined the show. I liked Dylan pitted against Nick and making a play for Avery. He sparkled with Sharon Case. He was great with Faith. WHY OH WHY did they have to put JFP's #1 pet in the HORRID Chelsea baby story???? It's cannibalizing the entire show.

    Billy's gambling. Who cares? FLOP! Victoria going crazy on hormones and writing baby books. OMG. No words. I watch YT videos of Bill Bell's Victoria and want to cry. This is so INSULTING and sexist, I cringe.

    Nikki has Multiple Sclerosis. FLOP. Story lasts 5 minutes and got dropped. Pointless.

    Sharon's Bipolar Story. FLOP. Plot point for Adam to play hero and his marriage to fall apart. Whackadoo. Crazypants. Sharon is worse than ever, job-less, friend-less, outcast, pariah, trolling bars for meaningless sex with random men. Only highlight was Lorraine Toussaint who played Dr Watkins. Too bad Sharon ignored everything she said. Next!

    Jamie/Fen/Summer bullying story. The ONLY story that had value under the new regime. Daniel Polo was a real find, and Jamie was the best new character they introduced. The bullying story was surprisingly GOOD until they completely dropped the ball. The resolution was appalling as Jamie apologized to his tormenters, and was promptly shipped off to DC. What a waste. It was all a plot point for Lauren to cheat with Carmine. I like Marco Dapper but they need to give him more to do than just take off his clothes.

    Summer's paternity story. Fans have been waiting for this since 2006. After 7 years, they deserved a pay off. Unfortunately, the ball was dropped. Lousy pacing and poor writing rears its ugly head, sucking all the air out of this storyline. Sorry, I just don't buy that Nick lied for 18 years because he wanted a Cassie replacement. Kyle's sudden interest in Summer screams PLOT POINT. Sharon's non-reaction. WTF? Talk about missing a beat. High point was Nick telling Phyllis, but they lost all momentum by putting this story on the backburner to showcase, you guessed it, CHELSEA'S baby story and the stupid adventures of Chloe & Kevin's miserable lives. WHO CARES? Next!

    Summer's paternity should be the A-tier story driving the entire show. Jack, Nick, Summer, Phyllis front and center. Phyllis is leaving in a month, so let her have the screen time to exit with a bang. Maybe they can turn this around, maybe Peter Bergman can salvage it, but there's only so much good actors can do when the writing fails to deliver. BTW, the image of Phyllis sexing up Kyle sickens me. Truly.

    Other sh*t...

    Sharon inexplicably beds a random dayplayer named Wayne. WTF? Gratuitous. Pointless. Did Sharon need more degradation? Wasn't MAB's 5 years enough? Fcuk you, writers. You promised to fix Sharon. This is not how to do it. She's supposed to be on medication now. If she went off her meds, show us, tell us. Watching her troll bars for more random dick is just depressing.

    JT calls Victoria with a big emergency and texts her that Reed is coming to live with her for undisclosed mysterious reasons. Panic ensues. A month later and still no Reed. WTF? I hate when writers start stories and then just forget. It's lazy and confusing. Sloppy.

    Victoria writing children's books. Come on. Seriously? Note to writers: Victoria belongs in business. Let her run BON, start her own company, work with Abby, join Chancellor, anything.

    Noah Newman. Victor's first grandson. Newman heir. Why is he written like such a loser? He's dirt poor. Can't afford his own apartment or a new couch. Is this guy ever getting a storyline? He pours drinks and bangs random dayplayers off-screen.

    Is it my imagination or has this cast QUADRUPLED?

    JFP's Regime - Grade: F, Fail, utter fail.



    I ❤ you. Thank you. You nailed it.

    #54   2013/06/22 12:28PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    login
    image

    Quote Sunnyflower:
    Quote login:
    Quote Rfan: Cane and Lily have not become this popular because they are a flop with all the flop writing they have been given they turn the mess into pure gold. Not like some that is given airtime, dialogue and they are still a flop. That is the mess that need to be stopped not Cane and Lily. They have proven they can bring their A Game time and time again I am still waiting the so called greats to get out of the starting line up. The interloper has not made Lily instresting dragging him is pulling her down she had to be totally changed to be in the storyline with the interloper and it still has not helped him.


    Cane and Lily are not popular other than to a very small group. Everyone else is sick of the lame pairing.

    They aren't popular at all.

    NO they aren't. They have run their course. Time to split them up. The dialogue they share always make Cane so creepy looking.

    #55   2013/06/22 12:49PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    flowergerl
    image

    I want to add that FlopGriff seems to hate women too, the writing for women is soooooooo crappy. It's so bad, I have to turn the show off. These women become unwatchable to me because of FlopGriff writing.

    FlopGriff decided Sharon is a Hooker now. Her character does nothing but pick up randoms in bars. FlopGriff, I will never forgive you for calling Sharon "wackadoo" and making fun of bipolar people, and now you write Sharon as a prostitute. You're worse than MAB.

    FlopGriff decided Victoria is a crazed lunatic. FlopGriff wrote this hormones crap to destroy her, because FlopGriff thinks hormonal women are stupid. OP is right, look at Bill Bell's Victoria, she was smart, strong, capable, ruthless businesswoman, took no crap, and always working. FlopGriff has her running around town weeping and imagining things that aren't there. FlopGriff's Victoria can't even work a phone. Bill Bell would roll over in his grave if he saw what FlopGriff did.

    FlopGriff decides that Phyllis is gonna seduce Kyle, Jack's son and her former step-son, instead of tell Jack and Summer the truth about her paternity. Boy, Phyllis is getting screwed. Now everyone's gonna blame Phyllis. Where's Nick? Oh yah, he's busy planning his wedding to Phyllis sister. FlopGriff has a creepy fetish with incest. Can anyone blame MS for walking? She's getting out before the ship sinks. MS sees the FlopGriff writing on the wall.

    Leave it to FlopGRiff to mess up the Summer paternity story. This was a no brainer but FlopGriff still managed to ruin it.

    #56   2013/06/22 12:55PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    flowergerl
    image

    Quote LucyT:
    Quote janesBydiction: I don't even post here anymore and I had to log in to say what a fabulous post this was. You are completely on point from every angle. The writing is an embarrassment and the fact that they have managed to suck the life out of the Phyllis/Summer/Nick/Jack story tells me how incompetent these writers are.

    [bI firmly believe a that 13yo with moderate intelligence and a keen interest in creative writing could do a considerably better job that Josh Griffith has done. Every single story that he has put out has been a hot mess. Thanks FlopGriffith!


    It is nice to see you post.I wondered where you went.It is to bad this show is headed the way it is.I grew up with this show and its not even watchable somedays IMO.


    It's really becoming unwatchable. FlopGriff writing gets worse and worse. No way I'm sitting through 5 years of FlopGriff!

    #57   2013/06/22 01:19PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    YR-crazy
    image

    Quote flowergerl:
    Quote LucyT:
    Quote janesBydiction: I don't even post here anymore and I had to log in to say what a fabulous post this was. You are completely on point from every angle. The writing is an embarrassment and the fact that they have managed to suck the life out of the Phyllis/Summer/Nick/Jack story tells me how incompetent these writers are.

    [bI firmly believe a that 13yo with moderate intelligence and a keen interest in creative writing could do a considerably better job that Josh Griffith has done. Every single story that he has put out has been a hot mess. Thanks FlopGriffith!


    It is nice to see you post.I wondered where you went.It is to bad this show is headed the way it is.I grew up with this show and its not even watchable somedays IMO.


    It's really becoming unwatchable. FlopGriff writing gets worse and worse. No way I'm sitting through 5 years of FlopGriff!


    ITA, it is heartbreaking to watch. The writers don't respect any of Y&R's history. It's inconsistent and filled with a lot of b*llsh*t. I don't want to FF, but can't help it. I hate the newbies.

    #58   2013/06/22 01:40PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    habbyfan
    image

    [quote]Quote clicquot1: [quote]Quote countryMomof4: [quote]Quote clicquot1: TWOP rides again![/quote]

    Popular place isn't it! [/quote]




    Yes, COUNTRY and you were the one who turned me on to TWOP! Thanks, ever sooooooooooooooooo much! [/quote]

    Hey...I think I recognize some of those people!!!

    #59   2013/06/22 01:45PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    flowergerl
    image

    Quote YR-crazy:
    Quote flowergerl:
    Quote LucyT:
    Quote janesBydiction: I don't even post here anymore and I had to log in to say what a fabulous post this was. You are completely on point from every angle. The writing is an embarrassment and the fact that they have managed to suck the life out of the Phyllis/Summer/Nick/Jack story tells me how incompetent these writers are.

    I firmly believe a that 13yo with moderate intelligence and a keen interest in creative writing could do a considerably better job that Josh Griffith has done. Every single story that he has put out has been a hot mess. Thanks FlopGriffith!


    It is nice to see you post.I wondered where you went.It is to bad this show is headed the way it is.I grew up with this show and its not even watchable somedays IMO.


    It's really becoming unwatchable. FlopGriff writing gets worse and worse. No way I'm sitting through 5 years of FlopGriff!


    ITA, it is heartbreaking to watch. The writers don't respect any of Y&R's history. It's inconsistent and filled with a lot of b*llsh*t. I don't want to FF, but can't help it. I hate the newbies.


    You're right, they don't respect YR history, and they're just plain ignorant of it!! FlopGriff fired the old writers and replaced them with newbie writers from Hollywood Heights and General Hospital. None of them watched YR before they landed this gig.

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    #60   2013/06/22 01:51PM
    Re: Josh Griffith, aka,
    flowergerl
    image

    What FlopGriff has shown us during his first year on the job........

    FlopGriff storylines are stupid and make no sense but drag on forever.

    Some stories are started and dropped with no explanation.

    FlopGriff dialog is repetitive repetitive repetitive repetitive repetitive repetitive repetitive repetitive.

    Writing is plot point based, not character driven.

    Characters are dumbed down especially the women.

    No respect of YR history.

    No understanding of Bill Bell's core characters.

    FlopGriff even forgets his own stories or what he wrote the previous week.

    FlopGriff sucks.

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