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SPECULATON: HOW Phyllis CAN PROVE HER SHE DIDN'T
Started by vampiresrule at 2012/07/14 07:02AMLatest post: 2012/07/18 09:24AM, Views: 7113, Replies: 232
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Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote jtb1974: Quote Its not real: Quote Blue 501: Quote bukopandan: Quote Backstreet: Quote Its not real: Quote mdtuttle: Quote vampiresrule: NOT A SPOILLER! mean to kill Christine or Paul. She could take a lie detector test. That would prove whether or not she was trying to scare them or kill them. It's not admissible in court but it does prove INTENT. I find it very interesting that the Paul and Michael are the ones involved in this case against Phyllis! She could take both of them down with her! Kidnapping is a federal crime, NOT a state crime! While I will not say intent is not important. In this case I don't think it would matter much. The fact is she did hit them what her intention was at this point would br diffucult at best to prove. It is very easy to say at this stage in the game that she was only trying to scare Christine. To be fair, I don't think Phyllis really wanted to kill anyone. Of course back then she was a very diffrent person. I find it interesting that Paul is saying that it happened so long ago it does not matter. Of courde he is focused on what is going on in his own life right now and the charges he may face. But Christine almost seems like a woman possesed. Don't get me wrong, I think she has every right to be angry. I can even understand her wanting to confront Phyllis and make her tell the truth. I just can't help but wonder if Christine would be so hot to prosecute if it were anyone else but Phyllis. I am not saying Phylis should not have to face up to what she did, nor am I saying Christine should not want her to pay in some way. It just seems like prosecution and jail at this point in time serves little or no purpose. Christine is not in danger. Phyllis is not a psyco on the loose that is going to go around killing people. I think justice would be better served by Phyllis having to admit what she did and perhaps doing community service as well as some intensive counseling to help her get to the root of her anger and insecurity issues. I saw that scene and from what I saw Paul didn't say that the hit and run or attempted murder didn't matter because it was so far in the past he said that the kiss between Christine and Danny didn't matter because it was in the past. I think Paul doesn't care about much right now and doesn't have the energy to pursue prosecution of Phyllis himself, but I don't think he has indicated that he thinks Chris should just let Phyllis walk. I wouldn't say Chris seems to be possessed. I think she is angry (who wouldn't be  but it's not as if she has devoted years of her life to seeking out whoever tried to kill her, when the driver couldn't be found she went on with her life, so I don't think she has shown any unhealthy obsession with seeking vengeance for the attempt. But now that the evidence has fallen into her lap, she is angry and maybe, seeing Phyllis living a nice life, as if she has been so unaffected by her crime, and being still so hateful towards her , and acting, to everyone around her as if she is in a position to judge them, and her isht don't smell, might make Chris feel as if Phyllis should be made to pay for the crime she thought she got away with. ( It would me.) Christine has had 20 years to get a life and since she failed at that, she is jealous of Phyllis because she has a good life and a family and a great job so she can't wait to crucify her for some stupid thing she did twenty years ago. She lives in the past because she never made a future for herself. Christine is a joke! She is a jealous and hateful little fool who couldn't keep a husband and never had any children. A middle aged spinster who has nothing but a job to cuddle up with and a few one nighters like the one she had with the aging rock star the other night. Christine is pathetic. No comment even needed!!!!  May I? Christine is the woman with a very successful career. Phyllis is the crazy freak in a cycle of marrying Nick, breaking up with Nick, screwing Jack, going back to Nick, screwing Ronan, going back to Nick, marrying Nick, and all the time crazy jealous of anyone Nick looks twice at. And she puts out a National Enquirer style rag without the stories of 3 legged cows or babies with 2 heads to make it interesting. You know, I'm really finding this an amusing view of women. Sharon is frequently mocked for always needing a man to "prop her up". Now, Christine is mocked for building a good, successful, life on her own, and not needing a man to prop her up. Kind of hard for any woman to win with some of these Phyllis fans, isn't it? Unless of course they are red headed psychos who try to hold on to guys who don't want them and to murder the women those guys do want. Yup, nothing pathetic about that.  That's because the Phyllis fans are grasping at straws trying to defend the evil actions of their girl. There is no defending it but I give them credit for trying lol. Now apparently kissing your ex husband is just as bad as attempted murder. LOL! Defending her?? Not if we see this phenom MS stop this acting!! She's bringing it every epi!! my gosh! I feel sad, angry, scared, everything with MS in the s/l! Bring it!! I love MS right now!! Best acting I've seen on the soap in a long time!! There are some Phyllis fans who are enjoying the opportunity this SL is giving MS, but there are others who are just trying to come up with more and more bizarre ways to defend the Phyllis character and pretend that attempted murder is nothing more serious than a parking ticket or kissing your ex after he marries someone else. I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! For example I can't understand how everyone gives Sharon a pass for her inexcusable behaviour... but Sharon fan do for the most part. There is always an excuse... She's just sick, she didnt mean it, she's really a good person just under stress. Don't get saying it for one character and not the other. I call out all on their behaviour. Just like Phyl now. She did it. Whatever. I'm just interested in her acting and how she gets out of it now! Can you remind me, please, of where in the bible it says all sins are equal? As you can read in Romans 6:23 , There are different degrees to sin. Some sins are worse than others. At the same time, in regard to both eternal consequences and salvation, all sins are the same. Every sin will lead to eternal condemnation All sin, no matter how “small,” is against an infinite and eternal God, and is therefore worthy of an infinite and eternal penalty. So , although some sins are worse than others , it all leads to the same place. So whether you cheat , steal , murder , or attempt murder , it leads to the same consequences , unless of course you repent... But , we are talking about a soap, so none of this really matters. All sins may lead to death (spiritual death or condemnation) but that is sort of like saying all roads could lead to New York; it's true but some roads will get you there a whole lot faster, or should you decide to change your direction, be a lot more difficult to return from. What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. |
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Quote Tambam: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Me too! In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!! So all I'm saying is IMO IMO IMO I'm taking the same stance as this book! Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! Again, could I ask for the place in the bible where this is stated? I am certainly not a qualified bible student, but I seem to remember a story where Jesus said that no one would blame a man for pulling his donkey out of a ditch on the sabbath however I don't remember one where he said that no one would object if someone murdered another ( on the sabbath or any other time). So I'm thinking that Jesus did not regard murder as the same degree of sin as breaking the sabbath. Maybe there is a story or verse I missed, if so, could you please direct me to it? |
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What does all this talk about the bible OR MS's acting ability have to do with this thread? |
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Quote vampiresrule: What does all this talk about the bible OR MS's acting ability have to do with this thread? I think the biblical tangent started in post #58 but the thread had already swung away from the title topic way before that, as people pointed out holes in the original suggested way for Phyllis to prove she didn't do it and other people brought up yet more points to refute what they said. And of course any thread about Phyllis is almost bound to elicit comments from her fans about what a great actress she is. Pretty much business as usual in this thread I think. |
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Quote Squish: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Quote Its not real: Quote Blue 501: Quote bukopandan: Quote Backstreet: Quote Its not real: Quote mdtuttle: Quote vampiresrule: NOT A SPOILLER! mean to kill Christine or Paul. She could take a lie detector test. That would prove whether or not she was trying to scare them or kill them. It's not admissible in court but it does prove INTENT. I find it very interesting that the Paul and Michael are the ones involved in this case against Phyllis! She could take both of them down with her! Kidnapping is a federal crime, NOT a state crime! While I will not say intent is not important. In this case I don't think it would matter much. The fact is she did hit them what her intention was at this point would br diffucult at best to prove. It is very easy to say at this stage in the game that she was only trying to scare Christine. To be fair, I don't think Phyllis really wanted to kill anyone. Of course back then she was a very diffrent person. I find it interesting that Paul is saying that it happened so long ago it does not matter. Of courde he is focused on what is going on in his own life right now and the charges he may face. But Christine almost seems like a woman possesed. Don't get me wrong, I think she has every right to be angry. I can even understand her wanting to confront Phyllis and make her tell the truth. I just can't help but wonder if Christine would be so hot to prosecute if it were anyone else but Phyllis. I am not saying Phylis should not have to face up to what she did, nor am I saying Christine should not want her to pay in some way. It just seems like prosecution and jail at this point in time serves little or no purpose. Christine is not in danger. Phyllis is not a psyco on the loose that is going to go around killing people. I think justice would be better served by Phyllis having to admit what she did and perhaps doing community service as well as some intensive counseling to help her get to the root of her anger and insecurity issues. I saw that scene and from what I saw Paul didn't say that the hit and run or attempted murder didn't matter because it was so far in the past he said that the kiss between Christine and Danny didn't matter because it was in the past. I think Paul doesn't care about much right now and doesn't have the energy to pursue prosecution of Phyllis himself, but I don't think he has indicated that he thinks Chris should just let Phyllis walk. I wouldn't say Chris seems to be possessed. I think she is angry (who wouldn't be but it's not as if she has devoted years of her life to seeking out whoever tried to kill her, when the driver couldn't be found she went on with her life, so I don't think she has shown any unhealthy obsession with seeking vengeance for the attempt. But now that the evidence has fallen into her lap, she is angry and maybe, seeing Phyllis living a nice life, as if she has been so unaffected by her crime, and being still so hateful towards her , and acting, to everyone around her as if she is in a position to judge them, and her isht don't smell, might make Chris feel as if Phyllis should be made to pay for the crime she thought she got away with. ( It would me.) Christine has had 20 years to get a life and since she failed at that, she is jealous of Phyllis because she has a good life and a family and a great job so she can't wait to crucify her for some stupid thing she did twenty years ago. She lives in the past because she never made a future for herself. Christine is a joke! She is a jealous and hateful little fool who couldn't keep a husband and never had any children. A middle aged spinster who has nothing but a job to cuddle up with and a few one nighters like the one she had with the aging rock star the other night. Christine is pathetic. No comment even needed!!!! May I? Christine is the woman with a very successful career. Phyllis is the crazy freak in a cycle of marrying Nick, breaking up with Nick, screwing Jack, going back to Nick, screwing Ronan, going back to Nick, marrying Nick, and all the time crazy jealous of anyone Nick looks twice at. And she puts out a National Enquirer style rag without the stories of 3 legged cows or babies with 2 heads to make it interesting. You know, I'm really finding this an amusing view of women. Sharon is frequently mocked for always needing a man to "prop her up". Now, Christine is mocked for building a good, successful, life on her own, and not needing a man to prop her up. Kind of hard for any woman to win with some of these Phyllis fans, isn't it? Unless of course they are red headed psychos who try to hold on to guys who don't want them and to murder the women those guys do want. Yup, nothing pathetic about that. That's because the Phyllis fans are grasping at straws trying to defend the evil actions of their girl. There is no defending it but I give them credit for trying lol. Now apparently kissing your ex husband is just as bad as attempted murder. I am a Phyllis fan , and I am not defending her. And not all others are either, shouldn't generalize a group like that..Yes , She tried to run over Cricket. Speculations as to whether she was actually trying to kill her varies... But she most definitely tried to hit her with the car. I think Phyllis should admit it , go through what she has to go through , and get on with her life. I love the character no matter what she does, I am loving this s/l , and MS's phenomenal acting! On the other hand , I see some of the Sharon fans excusing every wrong doing Sharon has done... "She has been through so much , she has mental issues , the poor innocent baby".. and so on. It just couldn't be that Sharon is a sneaky and conniving narcissist who does anything she can , no matter who she hurts , to get what she wants. No way could that be Sharon. Phyllis is bad at times , Phyllis is a b*tch at times , and that's exactly the way I like it. Phyllis is no saint for sure , and most of the Phyllis fans can admit that. EXACTLY!! And even if I am trying to figure out where the writers are going to go with this that doesn't constitute making excuses because I don't care what she did. I don't care if she meant to kill Christine just the same as I don't care if one time 20+ years ago Michael tried to rape Christine. Whatever!! Just keep entertaining me the way I have been for the last 2 weeks. I don't care what happened 20 years ago either. This is an hour out of my life (40 minutes after ff through commercials), it's not real, and it takes me away from real life for that time. The last few weeks have been very entertaining for me , and I am excited about the show for the first time in a long while. |
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Quote Tambam: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Me too! In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!! So all I'm saying is IMO IMO IMO I'm taking the same stance as this book! Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! Exactly! We are talking about a soap here. |
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Quote jtb1974: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Does this mean that Ted Bundy and Jack the ripper are as bad as say Brad Pitt who cheated on Jennifer? Of course not. But I am talking about a soap here , not real life. If you are comparing Phyllis and Sharon in all this talk about killing vs cheating , Phyllis has killed no one as far as anyone knows. So I am not sure what any of this has to do with the show. If you are saying Phyllis is worse because she tried to run over Cricket , I find that no different than Sharon smashing a man in the head with a bottle , thinking she killed him , and trying to cover it up. Both women did wrong and tried to cover it up... Neither one of these women have killed anyone so I don't see how this conversation pertains to the show. |
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Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Me too! In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!! So all I'm saying is IMO IMO IMO I'm taking the same stance as this book! Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! Again, could I ask for the place in the bible where this is stated? I am certainly not a qualified bible student, but I seem to remember a story where Jesus said that no one would blame a man for pulling his donkey out of a ditch on the sabbath however I don't remember one where he said that no one would object if someone murdered another ( on the sabbath or any other time). So I'm thinking that Jesus did not regard murder as the same degree of sin as breaking the sabbath. Maybe there is a story or verse I missed, if so, could you please direct me to it? A spiritual conversation about fictional characters is pointless especially when you've failed to note a certian point to the poster's original comment: I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! Which coincides with your comment: What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. where you concede that the bible says all sins are forgiviable with repentance. I think that we can all agree and move on now. |
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Quote pgl35: Quote Tambam: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Me too! In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!! So all I'm saying is IMO IMO IMO I'm taking the same stance as this book! Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! Exactly! We are talking about a soap here. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and if someone says, IMO, Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! It's their right to feel that way, even if I disagree strongly. All i can say is that IMO murder in soaps, or out, is nowhere near the same as infidelity. But when someone says, "In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!!" I'm going to contest that, since I don't remember any part of the bible that says that, and I get really tired of people stating things as facts when they are only their own wishful thinking being used to prop up specious arguments. |
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Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote jtb1974: Quote Its not real: Quote Blue 501: Quote bukopandan: Quote Backstreet: Quote Its not real: Quote mdtuttle: Quote vampiresrule: NOT A SPOILLER! mean to kill Christine or Paul. She could take a lie detector test. That would prove whether or not she was trying to scare them or kill them. It's not admissible in court but it does prove INTENT. I find it very interesting that the Paul and Michael are the ones involved in this case against Phyllis! She could take both of them down with her! Kidnapping is a federal crime, NOT a state crime! While I will not say intent is not important. In this case I don't think it would matter much. The fact is she did hit them what her intention was at this point would br diffucult at best to prove. It is very easy to say at this stage in the game that she was only trying to scare Christine. To be fair, I don't think Phyllis really wanted to kill anyone. Of course back then she was a very diffrent person. I find it interesting that Paul is saying that it happened so long ago it does not matter. Of courde he is focused on what is going on in his own life right now and the charges he may face. But Christine almost seems like a woman possesed. Don't get me wrong, I think she has every right to be angry. I can even understand her wanting to confront Phyllis and make her tell the truth. I just can't help but wonder if Christine would be so hot to prosecute if it were anyone else but Phyllis. I am not saying Phylis should not have to face up to what she did, nor am I saying Christine should not want her to pay in some way. It just seems like prosecution and jail at this point in time serves little or no purpose. Christine is not in danger. Phyllis is not a psyco on the loose that is going to go around killing people. I think justice would be better served by Phyllis having to admit what she did and perhaps doing community service as well as some intensive counseling to help her get to the root of her anger and insecurity issues. I saw that scene and from what I saw Paul didn't say that the hit and run or attempted murder didn't matter because it was so far in the past he said that the kiss between Christine and Danny didn't matter because it was in the past. I think Paul doesn't care about much right now and doesn't have the energy to pursue prosecution of Phyllis himself, but I don't think he has indicated that he thinks Chris should just let Phyllis walk. I wouldn't say Chris seems to be possessed. I think she is angry (who wouldn't be but it's not as if she has devoted years of her life to seeking out whoever tried to kill her, when the driver couldn't be found she went on with her life, so I don't think she has shown any unhealthy obsession with seeking vengeance for the attempt. But now that the evidence has fallen into her lap, she is angry and maybe, seeing Phyllis living a nice life, as if she has been so unaffected by her crime, and being still so hateful towards her , and acting, to everyone around her as if she is in a position to judge them, and her isht don't smell, might make Chris feel as if Phyllis should be made to pay for the crime she thought she got away with. ( It would me.) Christine has had 20 years to get a life and since she failed at that, she is jealous of Phyllis because she has a good life and a family and a great job so she can't wait to crucify her for some stupid thing she did twenty years ago. She lives in the past because she never made a future for herself. Christine is a joke! She is a jealous and hateful little fool who couldn't keep a husband and never had any children. A middle aged spinster who has nothing but a job to cuddle up with and a few one nighters like the one she had with the aging rock star the other night. Christine is pathetic. No comment even needed!!!! May I? Christine is the woman with a very successful career. Phyllis is the crazy freak in a cycle of marrying Nick, breaking up with Nick, screwing Jack, going back to Nick, screwing Ronan, going back to Nick, marrying Nick, and all the time crazy jealous of anyone Nick looks twice at. And she puts out a National Enquirer style rag without the stories of 3 legged cows or babies with 2 heads to make it interesting. You know, I'm really finding this an amusing view of women. Sharon is frequently mocked for always needing a man to "prop her up". Now, Christine is mocked for building a good, successful, life on her own, and not needing a man to prop her up. Kind of hard for any woman to win with some of these Phyllis fans, isn't it? Unless of course they are red headed psychos who try to hold on to guys who don't want them and to murder the women those guys do want. Yup, nothing pathetic about that. That's because the Phyllis fans are grasping at straws trying to defend the evil actions of their girl. There is no defending it but I give them credit for trying lol. Now apparently kissing your ex husband is just as bad as attempted murder. LOL! Defending her?? Not if we see this phenom MS stop this acting!! She's bringing it every epi!! my gosh! I feel sad, angry, scared, everything with MS in the s/l! Bring it!! I love MS right now!! Best acting I've seen on the soap in a long time!! There are some Phyllis fans who are enjoying the opportunity this SL is giving MS, but there are others who are just trying to come up with more and more bizarre ways to defend the Phyllis character and pretend that attempted murder is nothing more serious than a parking ticket or kissing your ex after he marries someone else. I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! For example I can't understand how everyone gives Sharon a pass for her inexcusable behaviour... but Sharon fan do for the most part. There is always an excuse... She's just sick, she didnt mean it, she's really a good person just under stress. Don't get saying it for one character and not the other. I call out all on their behaviour. Just like Phyl now. She did it. Whatever. I'm just interested in her acting and how she gets out of it now! Can you remind me, please, of where in the bible it says all sins are equal? As you can read in Romans 6:23 , There are different degrees to sin. Some sins are worse than others. At the same time, in regard to both eternal consequences and salvation, all sins are the same. Every sin will lead to eternal condemnation All sin, no matter how “small,” is against an infinite and eternal God, and is therefore worthy of an infinite and eternal penalty. So , although some sins are worse than others , it all leads to the same place. So whether you cheat , steal , murder , or attempt murder , it leads to the same consequences , unless of course you repent... But , we are talking about a soap, so none of this really matters. All sins may lead to death (spiritual death or condemnation) but that is sort of like saying all roads could lead to New York; it's true but some roads will get you there a whole lot faster, or should you decide to change your direction, be a lot more difficult to return from. What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. I haven't seen Phyllis trying to run anyone over in the last 20 years , so I'd say she HAS changed. Sharon , on the other hand is still the same Sharon she has always been. She hasn't grown one bit since she showed up as a pregnant teenager. She still acts like a baby throwing a tantrum when she doesn't get what she wants. Here she is again , stealing , stalking a man who clearly doesn't want her (Adam) , depending on a man to take care of her and stroke her ego (Victor), and not caring about anyone but herself. |
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