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SPECULATON: HOW Phyllis CAN PROVE HER SHE DIDN'T
Started by vampiresrule at 2012/07/14 07:02AMLatest post: 2012/07/18 09:24AM, Views: 7114, Replies: 232
dbpnrd |
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chancegirl |
Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote jtb1974: Quote Its not real: Quote Blue 501: Quote bukopandan: Quote Backstreet: Quote Its not real: Quote mdtuttle: Quote vampiresrule: NOT A SPOILLER! mean to kill Christine or Paul. She could take a lie detector test. That would prove whether or not she was trying to scare them or kill them. It's not admissible in court but it does prove INTENT. I find it very interesting that the Paul and Michael are the ones involved in this case against Phyllis! She could take both of them down with her! Kidnapping is a federal crime, NOT a state crime! While I will not say intent is not important. In this case I don't think it would matter much. The fact is she did hit them what her intention was at this point would br diffucult at best to prove. It is very easy to say at this stage in the game that she was only trying to scare Christine. To be fair, I don't think Phyllis really wanted to kill anyone. Of course back then she was a very diffrent person. I find it interesting that Paul is saying that it happened so long ago it does not matter. Of courde he is focused on what is going on in his own life right now and the charges he may face. But Christine almost seems like a woman possesed. Don't get me wrong, I think she has every right to be angry. I can even understand her wanting to confront Phyllis and make her tell the truth. I just can't help but wonder if Christine would be so hot to prosecute if it were anyone else but Phyllis. I am not saying Phylis should not have to face up to what she did, nor am I saying Christine should not want her to pay in some way. It just seems like prosecution and jail at this point in time serves little or no purpose. Christine is not in danger. Phyllis is not a psyco on the loose that is going to go around killing people. I think justice would be better served by Phyllis having to admit what she did and perhaps doing community service as well as some intensive counseling to help her get to the root of her anger and insecurity issues. I saw that scene and from what I saw Paul didn't say that the hit and run or attempted murder didn't matter because it was so far in the past he said that the kiss between Christine and Danny didn't matter because it was in the past. I think Paul doesn't care about much right now and doesn't have the energy to pursue prosecution of Phyllis himself, but I don't think he has indicated that he thinks Chris should just let Phyllis walk. I wouldn't say Chris seems to be possessed. I think she is angry (who wouldn't be  but it's not as if she has devoted years of her life to seeking out whoever tried to kill her, when the driver couldn't be found she went on with her life, so I don't think she has shown any unhealthy obsession with seeking vengeance for the attempt. But now that the evidence has fallen into her lap, she is angry and maybe, seeing Phyllis living a nice life, as if she has been so unaffected by her crime, and being still so hateful towards her , and acting, to everyone around her as if she is in a position to judge them, and her isht don't smell, might make Chris feel as if Phyllis should be made to pay for the crime she thought she got away with. ( It would me.) Christine has had 20 years to get a life and since she failed at that, she is jealous of Phyllis because she has a good life and a family and a great job so she can't wait to crucify her for some stupid thing she did twenty years ago. She lives in the past because she never made a future for herself. Christine is a joke! She is a jealous and hateful little fool who couldn't keep a husband and never had any children. A middle aged spinster who has nothing but a job to cuddle up with and a few one nighters like the one she had with the aging rock star the other night. Christine is pathetic. No comment even needed!!!!  May I? Christine is the woman with a very successful career. Phyllis is the crazy freak in a cycle of marrying Nick, breaking up with Nick, screwing Jack, going back to Nick, screwing Ronan, going back to Nick, marrying Nick, and all the time crazy jealous of anyone Nick looks twice at. And she puts out a National Enquirer style rag without the stories of 3 legged cows or babies with 2 heads to make it interesting. You know, I'm really finding this an amusing view of women. Sharon is frequently mocked for always needing a man to "prop her up". Now, Christine is mocked for building a good, successful, life on her own, and not needing a man to prop her up. Kind of hard for any woman to win with some of these Phyllis fans, isn't it? Unless of course they are red headed psychos who try to hold on to guys who don't want them and to murder the women those guys do want. Yup, nothing pathetic about that.  That's because the Phyllis fans are grasping at straws trying to defend the evil actions of their girl. There is no defending it but I give them credit for trying lol. Now apparently kissing your ex husband is just as bad as attempted murder. LOL! Defending her?? Not if we see this phenom MS stop this acting!! She's bringing it every epi!! my gosh! I feel sad, angry, scared, everything with MS in the s/l! Bring it!! I love MS right now!! Best acting I've seen on the soap in a long time!! There are some Phyllis fans who are enjoying the opportunity this SL is giving MS, but there are others who are just trying to come up with more and more bizarre ways to defend the Phyllis character and pretend that attempted murder is nothing more serious than a parking ticket or kissing your ex after he marries someone else. I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! For example I can't understand how everyone gives Sharon a pass for her inexcusable behaviour... but Sharon fan do for the most part. There is always an excuse... She's just sick, she didnt mean it, she's really a good person just under stress. Don't get saying it for one character and not the other. I call out all on their behaviour. Just like Phyl now. She did it. Whatever. I'm just interested in her acting and how she gets out of it now! Can you remind me, please, of where in the bible it says all sins are equal? As you can read in Romans 6:23 , There are different degrees to sin. Some sins are worse than others. At the same time, in regard to both eternal consequences and salvation, all sins are the same. Every sin will lead to eternal condemnation All sin, no matter how “small,” is against an infinite and eternal God, and is therefore worthy of an infinite and eternal penalty. So , although some sins are worse than others , it all leads to the same place. So whether you cheat , steal , murder , or attempt murder , it leads to the same consequences , unless of course you repent... But , we are talking about a soap, so none of this really matters. All sins may lead to death (spiritual death or condemnation) but that is sort of like saying all roads could lead to New York; it's true but some roads will get you there a whole lot faster, or should you decide to change your direction, be a lot more difficult to return from. What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. I haven't seen Phyllis trying to run anyone over in the last 20 years , so I'd say she HAS changed. Sharon , on the other hand is still the same Sharon she has always been. She hasn't grown one bit since she showed up as a pregnant teenager. She still acts like a baby throwing a tantrum when she doesn't get what she wants. Here she is again , stealing , stalking a man who clearly doesn't want her (Adam) , depending on a man to take care of her and stroke her ego (Victor), and not caring about anyone but herself. NO, we haven't seen her try to mow anyone down w/ her car....but since that time she also STALKED Paul and Chris to Nevis, STALKED Michael and kidnapped him....Stalked Sharon to her hotel and slashed her undies, STALKED SHICK to the Cabin where she got turned away due to weather....stalked Shadam to NOLA "for a story, LOL"....she broke in to Sharon's hotel room, she has lied for 2 decades....so I would say that she is still a POS.....I certainly don't see helping battered women or feeding the homeless. She is weak and needy and clingy...she BEGS Nick to be w/ her at every turn. She can't accept the fact he will never fully love her like Ronan would and could. She is losing it and it's entertaing to watch. |
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chancegirl |
Quote Squish: I think bringing the letter regarding Faith's birth to the cabin shows real change, her worst fears realized and still she did the right thing. I think bringing the memory card to Ronan's attention and helping free Sharon proves change. And most of all when Sharon was crop dusted that she attempted to help her and didn't leave her lying in that field proves that she's changed. I don't expect that anyone will agree but I've not seen her be the person who was behind that steering wheel since that night. In fact I think it was probably that story and that plot point that started Phyllis on the road to redemption because that was it, from then on she may have been a schemer, she may have been involved in manipulations but she's never been a mortal threat to anyone. Um, after that was Michael's kidnapping....her stalking of Paul and Chris w/ the octopus...Sasha Green's murder (IMO) |
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chancegirl |
Quote pgl35: Quote Squish: I think bringing the letter regarding Faith's birth to the cabin shows real change, her worst fears realized and still she did the right thing. I think bringing the memory card to Ronan's attention and helping free Sharon proves change. And most of all when Sharon was crop dusted that she attempted to help her and didn't leave her lying in that field proves that she's changed. I don't expect that anyone will agree but I've not seen her be the person who was behind that steering wheel since that night. In fact I think it was probably that story and that plot point that started Phyllis on the road to redemption because that was it, from then on she may have been a schemer, she may have been involved in manipulations but she's never been a mortal threat to anyone. Excellent Post. Phyllis has shown over and over that she is a much better person now and that she isn't the same as she was back then . Like the expression "not seeing the forest for the trees"..I think that applies here. Phyllis has grown , and she has changed but some are so full of hate for her that they won't accept the facts. Many believe Karla Faye Tucker had changed, found God and was a better person...but they still executed her for the crime she committed decades ago. In the eyes of the law "the forest for the trees & I'm a changed person" don't count. |
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chancegirl |
Quote Tambam: And for the record it's not Phyl fans keeping this bible thing going it's the rest of you. I guess MS kick azz acting hurts.  That's a silly statement...I LOVE MS...even posted a few days ago saying she deserved an emmy.....so MOST of us who dont like Phyllis, like MS..just like many who don't like Sharon like SC...RIGHT? |
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chancegirl |
Quote Backstreet: Quote Tambam: Quote Backstreet: Quote dbpnrd: Quote yandrfan99: Quote Backstreet: Quote Tambam: And for the record it's not Phyl fans keeping this bible thing going it's the rest of you. I guess MS kick azz acting hurts. That is the right perspective, TB. You have it right. This isn't about your comments about the bible! This board promotes too much that doesn't agree with the bible and right now it is promoting hard core hatred. The kind that feeds a black soul, chilled from the bone of gutwrenching, heartpounding hatred! They don't want Phyllis defenders on this board right now and that is why they are trying to hijack any threads that might promote her or explain how she can be innocent. The boards is supposed to be showing Phyllis hatred! Phyllis hard core hate! When you come to the board it is supposed to look like everyone here is promoting and supporting this stupid storyline even if fans out there think it is stupid and are not watching it.Which is the case, I might add. No Phyllis are fighting this or supporting this that is why they are even having to make up threads to make it look like even though they are predominating the Phyllis hatred that there are at least a few Phyllis supporters. That would be bogus because everybody knows that Phyllis fans aren't coming to the boards to support this big writers mistake. The story is extreme and unusual gutwrenching, horrorfying Phyllis hatred! The kind that guts a character and leaves them standing unclothed and exposed! The kind that bears thier guts for thier fans to dine on and never get thier fill. Don't bother with it TB, Phyllis fans don't support this. All I can say is WOW AND WOW WOW  Scary isn't it, wonder what type of person would write things like this, sick sick sick. What is really scary are the fans that drove this storyline. I hope that you enjoy what you and your haters have generated. It is my hope that you all never miss an episode of this. I am hoping that you, each and all, watch every last moment of this storyline. It is scary the amount of Phyllis fans that are here on the board. They have all but disappeared! And anytime a Phyl fan says anything positive or tries to put something funny in connection with her in a post ... it's like rabid dogs all over it! I can tell you that when I was a Sharon fan the Phyl fans never treated me like I'm getting treated because I like Phyl now. This is a very important comment, TB. Accurate. I was never a Sharon fan but until I started coming on these boards, I didn't care either way about the character. When I came to the boards as a Phyllis fan, it was the Sharon fans who actually turned me so far against this character. I am a Phyllis fan who has been faithful to the boards in support of her since I started and I have taken such vile comments from Sharon fans that I have just learned to give as good as I get. They hate me here, but it because they know that I am a Phyllis fan and I can take on thier hatred with both hands tied behind me. I don't care about thier hate, they will see that and more in days to come. I don't support what is going on the show and I don't support what is driving it either. It is a huge mistake, but then hatred always is. That is EXACTLY how I was w/ Phyllis...never really cared about her one way or the other...came to this board and b/c of a lot of Phyllis fans I now hate the character...funny how that happens...I felt so belittled for being a Sharon/Shick fan that it turned me against Phyllis b/c it was Phyllis fans belittling my thoughts. |
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chancegirl |
[quote]Quote Tambam: [quote]Quote chancegirl: [quote]Quote pgl35: [quote]Quote Its not real: [quote]Quote pgl35: [quote]Quote Its not real: [quote]Quote Tambam: [quote]Quote Its not real: [quote]Quote Tambam: [quote]Quote jtb1974: [quote]Quote Its not real: [quote]Quote Blue 501: [quote]Quote bukopandan: [quote]Quote Backstreet: [quote]Quote Its not real: [quote]Quote mdtuttle: [quote]Quote vampiresrule: NOT A SPOILLER! |
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Tambam |
I can guarantee that if Sharon mowed down Phyllis with a car way at the beginning of the Phick affair. Y'all would be cheering her on. |
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Quote chancegirl: Quote pgl35: Quote Squish: I think bringing the letter regarding Faith's birth to the cabin shows real change, her worst fears realized and still she did the right thing. I think bringing the memory card to Ronan's attention and helping free Sharon proves change. And most of all when Sharon was crop dusted that she attempted to help her and didn't leave her lying in that field proves that she's changed. I don't expect that anyone will agree but I've not seen her be the person who was behind that steering wheel since that night. In fact I think it was probably that story and that plot point that started Phyllis on the road to redemption because that was it, from then on she may have been a schemer, she may have been involved in manipulations but she's never been a mortal threat to anyone. Excellent Post. Phyllis has shown over and over that she is a much better person now and that she isn't the same as she was back then . Like the expression "not seeing the forest for the trees"..I think that applies here. Phyllis has grown , and she has changed but some are so full of hate for her that they won't accept the facts. Many believe Karla Faye Tucker had changed, found God and was a better person...but they still executed her for the crime she committed decades ago. In the eyes of the law "the forest for the trees & I'm a changed person" don't count. just because phyl may say she's changed doesn't mean she's off the hook for what she did. adults know that this is not how it works. there are consequences. i'm sure that if a poster on the mb's child were run over and left for dead that a would-be murderer's "hey, i'm sorry about that. but i've changed" would not take away from the parent's suffering at watching the child suffer and erase all that the family had been through since the day of the hit and run. my sibling received an organ from a child who did die when someone ran a red light. i doubt that if later he had said he was sorry it would have helped. i doubt they had any interest in his spiritual transformation. and we've already discussed, in past threads, why the actions phyl took were not done out of the goodness of her heart but because she knew she had no choice (for example, mike would have told nick and sharon about faith) or were not superhero gestures that helped sharon (for example, she did not save sharon's life when sharon was crop-dusted, and sharon was there to help phyl help nick so it wasn't one of the times when phyl was wishing to be destructive of sharon). |
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