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SPECULATON: HOW Phyllis CAN PROVE HER SHE DIDN'T
Started by vampiresrule at 2012/07/14 07:02AMLatest post: 2012/07/18 09:24AM, Views: 7109, Replies: 232
Squish |
I think bringing the letter regarding Faith's birth to the cabin shows real change, her worst fears realized and still she did the right thing. |
pgl35 |
Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote jtb1974: Quote Its not real: Quote Blue 501: Quote bukopandan: Quote Backstreet: Quote Its not real: Quote mdtuttle: Quote vampiresrule: NOT A SPOILLER! mean to kill Christine or Paul. She could take a lie detector test. That would prove whether or not she was trying to scare them or kill them. It's not admissible in court but it does prove INTENT. I find it very interesting that the Paul and Michael are the ones involved in this case against Phyllis! She could take both of them down with her! Kidnapping is a federal crime, NOT a state crime! While I will not say intent is not important. In this case I don't think it would matter much. The fact is she did hit them what her intention was at this point would br diffucult at best to prove. It is very easy to say at this stage in the game that she was only trying to scare Christine. To be fair, I don't think Phyllis really wanted to kill anyone. Of course back then she was a very diffrent person. I find it interesting that Paul is saying that it happened so long ago it does not matter. Of courde he is focused on what is going on in his own life right now and the charges he may face. But Christine almost seems like a woman possesed. Don't get me wrong, I think she has every right to be angry. I can even understand her wanting to confront Phyllis and make her tell the truth. I just can't help but wonder if Christine would be so hot to prosecute if it were anyone else but Phyllis. I am not saying Phylis should not have to face up to what she did, nor am I saying Christine should not want her to pay in some way. It just seems like prosecution and jail at this point in time serves little or no purpose. Christine is not in danger. Phyllis is not a psyco on the loose that is going to go around killing people. I think justice would be better served by Phyllis having to admit what she did and perhaps doing community service as well as some intensive counseling to help her get to the root of her anger and insecurity issues. I saw that scene and from what I saw Paul didn't say that the hit and run or attempted murder didn't matter because it was so far in the past he said that the kiss between Christine and Danny didn't matter because it was in the past. I think Paul doesn't care about much right now and doesn't have the energy to pursue prosecution of Phyllis himself, but I don't think he has indicated that he thinks Chris should just let Phyllis walk. I wouldn't say Chris seems to be possessed. I think she is angry (who wouldn't be  but it's not as if she has devoted years of her life to seeking out whoever tried to kill her, when the driver couldn't be found she went on with her life, so I don't think she has shown any unhealthy obsession with seeking vengeance for the attempt. But now that the evidence has fallen into her lap, she is angry and maybe, seeing Phyllis living a nice life, as if she has been so unaffected by her crime, and being still so hateful towards her , and acting, to everyone around her as if she is in a position to judge them, and her isht don't smell, might make Chris feel as if Phyllis should be made to pay for the crime she thought she got away with. ( It would me.) Christine has had 20 years to get a life and since she failed at that, she is jealous of Phyllis because she has a good life and a family and a great job so she can't wait to crucify her for some stupid thing she did twenty years ago. She lives in the past because she never made a future for herself. Christine is a joke! She is a jealous and hateful little fool who couldn't keep a husband and never had any children. A middle aged spinster who has nothing but a job to cuddle up with and a few one nighters like the one she had with the aging rock star the other night. Christine is pathetic. No comment even needed!!!!  May I? Christine is the woman with a very successful career. Phyllis is the crazy freak in a cycle of marrying Nick, breaking up with Nick, screwing Jack, going back to Nick, screwing Ronan, going back to Nick, marrying Nick, and all the time crazy jealous of anyone Nick looks twice at. And she puts out a National Enquirer style rag without the stories of 3 legged cows or babies with 2 heads to make it interesting. You know, I'm really finding this an amusing view of women. Sharon is frequently mocked for always needing a man to "prop her up". Now, Christine is mocked for building a good, successful, life on her own, and not needing a man to prop her up. Kind of hard for any woman to win with some of these Phyllis fans, isn't it? Unless of course they are red headed psychos who try to hold on to guys who don't want them and to murder the women those guys do want. Yup, nothing pathetic about that.  That's because the Phyllis fans are grasping at straws trying to defend the evil actions of their girl. There is no defending it but I give them credit for trying lol. Now apparently kissing your ex husband is just as bad as attempted murder. LOL! Defending her?? Not if we see this phenom MS stop this acting!! She's bringing it every epi!! my gosh! I feel sad, angry, scared, everything with MS in the s/l! Bring it!! I love MS right now!! Best acting I've seen on the soap in a long time!! There are some Phyllis fans who are enjoying the opportunity this SL is giving MS, but there are others who are just trying to come up with more and more bizarre ways to defend the Phyllis character and pretend that attempted murder is nothing more serious than a parking ticket or kissing your ex after he marries someone else. I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! For example I can't understand how everyone gives Sharon a pass for her inexcusable behaviour... but Sharon fan do for the most part. There is always an excuse... She's just sick, she didnt mean it, she's really a good person just under stress. Don't get saying it for one character and not the other. I call out all on their behaviour. Just like Phyl now. She did it. Whatever. I'm just interested in her acting and how she gets out of it now! Can you remind me, please, of where in the bible it says all sins are equal? As you can read in Romans 6:23 , There are different degrees to sin. Some sins are worse than others. At the same time, in regard to both eternal consequences and salvation, all sins are the same. Every sin will lead to eternal condemnation All sin, no matter how “small,” is against an infinite and eternal God, and is therefore worthy of an infinite and eternal penalty. So , although some sins are worse than others , it all leads to the same place. So whether you cheat , steal , murder , or attempt murder , it leads to the same consequences , unless of course you repent... But , we are talking about a soap, so none of this really matters. All sins may lead to death (spiritual death or condemnation) but that is sort of like saying all roads could lead to New York; it's true but some roads will get you there a whole lot faster, or should you decide to change your direction, be a lot more difficult to return from. What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. I haven't seen Phyllis trying to run anyone over in the last 20 years , so I'd say she HAS changed. Sharon , on the other hand is still the same Sharon she has always been. She hasn't grown one bit since she showed up as a pregnant teenager. She still acts like a baby throwing a tantrum when she doesn't get what she wants. Here she is again , stealing , stalking a man who clearly doesn't want her (Adam) , depending on a man to take care of her and stroke her ego (Victor), and not caring about anyone but herself. Phyllis may not have tried to run anyone over in the last several years but her attitude hasn't changed. She is still jealous and vindictive, and attempts to hurt anyone who stands in the way of what she wants. She still carries deep hatred of Christine in her heart and, if I remember correctly, not that long ago she agreed with Daniel that someone taking Daisy out would have been justified, given the circumstances. So, she still hates, she still purposely hurts other people if they cross her, and she still doesn't see murder as beyond the pale. Not much in the way of repentance or a changed heart or way of life there . IMO. Sounds like Sharon to me. There she goes , trying to stop Chadam's wedding after she dumped Adam and he has made it clear he doesn't want her. Chelsea has done nothing to Sharon , but yet Sharon is as snarky as she can be every time she runs in to her. Running after Adam trying to destroy his happiness. Using Victor until she can find someone else. Being a b*tch to everyone she talks to... Sharon is full of hate. She brought all of this on herself , she is miserable and she wants everyone around her to be that way too. Again , Phyllis has not tried to hurt anyone for two decades. And Daisy was a she-devil , who could blame anyone for caring what happened to her. Saying that someone taking Daisy out would have been justified, given the circumstances, is a far cry from murder. Phyllis has tried to hurt a lot of people: Sharon, Diane, Adam, jet to name a few. She has just changed her tools. Now she uses her access to Restless Style as a weapon, instead of a rental car. It seems pretty obvious to me that she still has hatred in her heart, and a need to hurt people, and a willingness to accept murder as a solution to someone interfering with what you want. Again I do not see a big change in her attitude. Restless Style is not a murder weapon. She hasn't killed anyone with her articles , as far as I know. You are grasping at straws here. Hating someone is not the same as murder or having murder in your heart. |
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Quote Squish: Quote Its not real: Quote Squish: Quote Its not real: Quote Squish: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Me too! In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!! So all I'm saying is IMO IMO IMO I'm taking the same stance as this book! Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! Again, could I ask for the place in the bible where this is stated? I am certainly not a qualified bible student, but I seem to remember a story where Jesus said that no one would blame a man for pulling his donkey out of a ditch on the sabbath however I don't remember one where he said that no one would object if someone murdered another ( on the sabbath or any other time). So I'm thinking that Jesus did not regard murder as the same degree of sin as breaking the sabbath. Maybe there is a story or verse I missed, if so, could you please direct me to it? A spiritual conversation about fictional characters is pointless especially when you've failed to note a certian point to the poster's original comment: I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! Which coincides with your comment: What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. where you concede that the bible says all sins are forgiviable with repentance. I think that we can all agree and move on now. We may all be able to agree that all sins are forgivable, but I certainly don't agree that all sins are equal, so maybe we can't be quite so fast to agree and move on. And again you've missed it....she said all sins in SOAPS in the original comment. She said, "I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! And no I do not agree that in the bible all sins are equal so no, not agreeing with her statement. I guess you missed that. It doesn't matter if you agree or not, you asked for scripture and were given it. If all sin is equally forgivable then it stands to logic that all sins are equal in their abilty to be redeemed. You not agreeing with her comment is blaringly clear and I haven't missed that at all. The fact that all sins may be up for redemption does not make all sins equal in their degree of evil, nor does it mean that it will be as easy to be redeemed from all sins. And again to return to an item you seem to be refusing to address...the bible as far as I can find does not anywhere say that all sins are equal, as was implied by the statement "b]just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable!' NO one has, as of yet, given me a scripture verse that shows that the bible, anywhere, says that all sins are equal. |
Tambam |
Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Me too! In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!! So all I'm saying is IMO IMO IMO I'm taking the same stance as this book! Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! Again, could I ask for the place in the bible where this is stated? I am certainly not a qualified bible student, but I seem to remember a story where Jesus said that no one would blame a man for pulling his donkey out of a ditch on the sabbath however I don't remember one where he said that no one would object if someone murdered another ( on the sabbath or any other time). So I'm thinking that Jesus did not regard murder as the same degree of sin as breaking the sabbath. Maybe there is a story or verse I missed, if so, could you please direct me to it? I don't even believe in God which is why I made the analogy of the bible and soaps! I know it says it in there somewhere because I was forced to go to church as a child |
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Tambam |
Quote vampiresrule: What does all this talk about the bible OR MS's acting ability have to do with this thread? OMG! I just said that like the bible I believe all soap sins are equal. Now all of a sudden I'm in this pickle! I don't even believe in God! |
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pgl35 |
Quote Squish: I think bringing the letter regarding Faith's birth to the cabin shows real change, her worst fears realized and still she did the right thing. I think bringing the memory card to Ronan's attention and helping free Sharon proves change. And most of all when Sharon was crop dusted that she attempted to help her and didn't leave her lying in that field proves that she's changed. I don't expect that anyone will agree but I've not seen her be the person who was behind that steering wheel since that night. In fact I think it was probably that story and that plot point that started Phyllis on the road to redemption because that was it, from then on she may have been a schemer, she may have been involved in manipulations but she's never been a mortal threat to anyone. Excellent Post. Phyllis has shown over and over that she is a much better person now and that she isn't the same as she was back then . Like the expression "not seeing the forest for the trees"..I think that applies here. Phyllis has grown , and she has changed but some are so full of hate for her that they won't accept the facts. |
yandrfan99 |
To me there is only one truth Phyllis is guilty as sin therefore there is no way an attempted murder can prove that that they are innocent. |
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Its not real |
Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote pgl35: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote jtb1974: Quote Its not real: Quote Blue 501: Quote bukopandan: Quote Backstreet: Quote Its not real: Quote mdtuttle: Quote vampiresrule: NOT A SPOILLER! mean to kill Christine or Paul. She could take a lie detector test. That would prove whether or not she was trying to scare them or kill them. It's not admissible in court but it does prove INTENT. I find it very interesting that the Paul and Michael are the ones involved in this case against Phyllis! She could take both of them down with her! Kidnapping is a federal crime, NOT a state crime! While I will not say intent is not important. In this case I don't think it would matter much. The fact is she did hit them what her intention was at this point would br diffucult at best to prove. It is very easy to say at this stage in the game that she was only trying to scare Christine. To be fair, I don't think Phyllis really wanted to kill anyone. Of course back then she was a very diffrent person. I find it interesting that Paul is saying that it happened so long ago it does not matter. Of courde he is focused on what is going on in his own life right now and the charges he may face. But Christine almost seems like a woman possesed. Don't get me wrong, I think she has every right to be angry. I can even understand her wanting to confront Phyllis and make her tell the truth. I just can't help but wonder if Christine would be so hot to prosecute if it were anyone else but Phyllis. I am not saying Phylis should not have to face up to what she did, nor am I saying Christine should not want her to pay in some way. It just seems like prosecution and jail at this point in time serves little or no purpose. Christine is not in danger. Phyllis is not a psyco on the loose that is going to go around killing people. I think justice would be better served by Phyllis having to admit what she did and perhaps doing community service as well as some intensive counseling to help her get to the root of her anger and insecurity issues. I saw that scene and from what I saw Paul didn't say that the hit and run or attempted murder didn't matter because it was so far in the past he said that the kiss between Christine and Danny didn't matter because it was in the past. I think Paul doesn't care about much right now and doesn't have the energy to pursue prosecution of Phyllis himself, but I don't think he has indicated that he thinks Chris should just let Phyllis walk. I wouldn't say Chris seems to be possessed. I think she is angry (who wouldn't be but it's not as if she has devoted years of her life to seeking out whoever tried to kill her, when the driver couldn't be found she went on with her life, so I don't think she has shown any unhealthy obsession with seeking vengeance for the attempt. But now that the evidence has fallen into her lap, she is angry and maybe, seeing Phyllis living a nice life, as if she has been so unaffected by her crime, and being still so hateful towards her , and acting, to everyone around her as if she is in a position to judge them, and her isht don't smell, might make Chris feel as if Phyllis should be made to pay for the crime she thought she got away with. ( It would me.) Christine has had 20 years to get a life and since she failed at that, she is jealous of Phyllis because she has a good life and a family and a great job so she can't wait to crucify her for some stupid thing she did twenty years ago. She lives in the past because she never made a future for herself. Christine is a joke! She is a jealous and hateful little fool who couldn't keep a husband and never had any children. A middle aged spinster who has nothing but a job to cuddle up with and a few one nighters like the one she had with the aging rock star the other night. Christine is pathetic. No comment even needed!!!! May I? Christine is the woman with a very successful career. Phyllis is the crazy freak in a cycle of marrying Nick, breaking up with Nick, screwing Jack, going back to Nick, screwing Ronan, going back to Nick, marrying Nick, and all the time crazy jealous of anyone Nick looks twice at. And she puts out a National Enquirer style rag without the stories of 3 legged cows or babies with 2 heads to make it interesting. You know, I'm really finding this an amusing view of women. Sharon is frequently mocked for always needing a man to "prop her up". Now, Christine is mocked for building a good, successful, life on her own, and not needing a man to prop her up. Kind of hard for any woman to win with some of these Phyllis fans, isn't it? Unless of course they are red headed psychos who try to hold on to guys who don't want them and to murder the women those guys do want. Yup, nothing pathetic about that. That's because the Phyllis fans are grasping at straws trying to defend the evil actions of their girl. There is no defending it but I give them credit for trying lol. Now apparently kissing your ex husband is just as bad as attempted murder. LOL! Defending her?? Not if we see this phenom MS stop this acting!! She's bringing it every epi!! my gosh! I feel sad, angry, scared, everything with MS in the s/l! Bring it!! I love MS right now!! Best acting I've seen on the soap in a long time!! There are some Phyllis fans who are enjoying the opportunity this SL is giving MS, but there are others who are just trying to come up with more and more bizarre ways to defend the Phyllis character and pretend that attempted murder is nothing more serious than a parking ticket or kissing your ex after he marries someone else. I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! For example I can't understand how everyone gives Sharon a pass for her inexcusable behaviour... but Sharon fan do for the most part. There is always an excuse... She's just sick, she didnt mean it, she's really a good person just under stress. Don't get saying it for one character and not the other. I call out all on their behaviour. Just like Phyl now. She did it. Whatever. I'm just interested in her acting and how she gets out of it now! Can you remind me, please, of where in the bible it says all sins are equal? As you can read in Romans 6:23 , There are different degrees to sin. Some sins are worse than others. At the same time, in regard to both eternal consequences and salvation, all sins are the same. Every sin will lead to eternal condemnation All sin, no matter how “small,” is against an infinite and eternal God, and is therefore worthy of an infinite and eternal penalty. So , although some sins are worse than others , it all leads to the same place. So whether you cheat , steal , murder , or attempt murder , it leads to the same consequences , unless of course you repent... But , we are talking about a soap, so none of this really matters. All sins may lead to death (spiritual death or condemnation) but that is sort of like saying all roads could lead to New York; it's true but some roads will get you there a whole lot faster, or should you decide to change your direction, be a lot more difficult to return from. What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. I haven't seen Phyllis trying to run anyone over in the last 20 years , so I'd say she HAS changed. Sharon , on the other hand is still the same Sharon she has always been. She hasn't grown one bit since she showed up as a pregnant teenager. She still acts like a baby throwing a tantrum when she doesn't get what she wants. Here she is again , stealing , stalking a man who clearly doesn't want her (Adam) , depending on a man to take care of her and stroke her ego (Victor), and not caring about anyone but herself. Phyllis may not have tried to run anyone over in the last several years but her attitude hasn't changed. She is still jealous and vindictive, and attempts to hurt anyone who stands in the way of what she wants. She still carries deep hatred of Christine in her heart and, if I remember correctly, not that long ago she agreed with Daniel that someone taking Daisy out would have been justified, given the circumstances. So, she still hates, she still purposely hurts other people if they cross her, and she still doesn't see murder as beyond the pale. Not much in the way of repentance or a changed heart or way of life there . IMO. Sounds like Sharon to me. There she goes , trying to stop Chadam's wedding after she dumped Adam and he has made it clear he doesn't want her. Chelsea has done nothing to Sharon , but yet Sharon is as snarky as she can be every time she runs in to her. Running after Adam trying to destroy his happiness. Using Victor until she can find someone else. Being a b*tch to everyone she talks to... Sharon is full of hate. She brought all of this on herself , she is miserable and she wants everyone around her to be that way too. Again , Phyllis has not tried to hurt anyone for two decades. And Daisy was a she-devil , who could blame anyone for caring what happened to her. Saying that someone taking Daisy out would have been justified, given the circumstances, is a far cry from murder. Phyllis has tried to hurt a lot of people: Sharon, Diane, Adam, jet to name a few. She has just changed her tools. Now she uses her access to Restless Style as a weapon, instead of a rental car. It seems pretty obvious to me that she still has hatred in her heart, and a need to hurt people, and a willingness to accept murder as a solution to someone interfering with what you want. Again I do not see a big change in her attitude. Restless Style is not a murder weapon. She hasn't killed anyone with her articles , as far as I know. You are grasping at straws here. Hating someone is not the same as murder or having murder in your heart. She still tries to hurt people. And she is still willing to condone murder as a possible solution to getting rid of a 'problem'. And she has never faced up to or confessed her guilt for the original crime. She still, IMO seems to be very far from fulfilling the requirements of finding redemption from her crime of attempted murder. |
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Squish |
Quote Its not real: Quote Squish: Quote Its not real: Quote Squish: Quote Its not real: Quote Squish: Quote Its not real: Quote Tambam: Quote pgl35: Quote jtb1974: Until you can receive a life sentence for kissing your ex, then no all sins are not equal. Well , all I did was answer a question. Spin it any way you want to , in the eyes of God , all sins , great or small , lead to the same place. Take that however you want to. Me too! In the bible murder is the same sin as working on the Sabbath!! So all I'm saying is IMO IMO IMO I'm taking the same stance as this book! Murder IN SOAPS is the same as infidelity! Again, could I ask for the place in the bible where this is stated? I am certainly not a qualified bible student, but I seem to remember a story where Jesus said that no one would blame a man for pulling his donkey out of a ditch on the sabbath however I don't remember one where he said that no one would object if someone murdered another ( on the sabbath or any other time). So I'm thinking that Jesus did not regard murder as the same degree of sin as breaking the sabbath. Maybe there is a story or verse I missed, if so, could you please direct me to it? A spiritual conversation about fictional characters is pointless especially when you've failed to note a certian point to the poster's original comment: I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! Which coincides with your comment: What I do agree with is that the bible tells us that no sin is unforgivable if you truly repent and change your ways. So far I haven't sen any signs of a certain red head either truly repenting or changing her ways much. where you concede that the bible says all sins are forgiviable with repentance. I think that we can all agree and move on now. We may all be able to agree that all sins are forgivable, but I certainly don't agree that all sins are equal, so maybe we can't be quite so fast to agree and move on. And again you've missed it....she said all sins in SOAPS in the original comment. She said, "I'm of the mind that just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable! And no I do not agree that in the bible all sins are equal so no, not agreeing with her statement. I guess you missed that. It doesn't matter if you agree or not, you asked for scripture and were given it. If all sin is equally forgivable then it stands to logic that all sins are equal in their abilty to be redeemed. You not agreeing with her comment is blaringly clear and I haven't missed that at all. The fact that all sins may be up for redemption does not make all sins equal in their degree of evil, nor does it mean that it will be as easy to be redeemed from all sins. And again to return to an item you seem to be refusing to address...the bible as far as I can find does not anywhere say that all sins are equal, as was implied by the statement "b]just like in the bible .... ALL sins in soaps are equal and equally redeemable!' NO one has, as of yet, given me a scripture verse that shows that the bible, anywhere, says that all sins are equal. And they aren't going to this isn't a religious forum, it's one about a soap. There was more to that post than just that one statement and in fact she elaborated her opinion and how it applied to what she said so badgering for an actual scripture when there's a gazillion different versions of the Bible out there and just as many different religious views, doctrines, and the most important personal interpretation seems futile. As is this back and forth. |
dbpnrd |
LOL at it again, Phyllis has already admitted to many she indeed try to kill Christine & Paul now I hope they bring back her bigger sin - killing Sasha that would be so much fun to see her suffer more because of her lies, insecurities and jealousy. Go Phyl be exposed we the tube watchers are so enjoying this. |
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