The Young and the Restless - MESSAGE BOARDS

Quote Its not real:

A little over dramatic aren't we? Sharon went into labour and gave birth to a baby, Adam hardly "pulled it from her womb" LOL. But it sounds so much nastier the way you wrote it. But then, I love the way you describe Phyllis' little misdemeanor as only an "attempt to hit Cricket with her car" how sweet and gentle.

Phyllis attempted to kill Cricket by running her down with her car. She didn't succeed in the murder (maybe because of Paul's action to push Cricket aside)she did however succeed in hitting both Cricket and Paul with the car and injuring them.

Just got to love how your prejudice in favour of one character, colors your comparative description of their actions. Might even fool someone who hadn't actually watched the show during those events.

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Quote jimjay001:

LOL. First of all, it is a drama, so I'm not over-dramatizing anything. Soap = dramatic serial. Secondly, funny how your prejudice as well as the prejudice of others colors your perception and attempts, poorly to put Phyllis at the same level of Adam.

I'll say the same thing to you that I said to the other one. Since you seem to think that Adam is so horrible, what does that say about your girl Sharon who couldn't keep her pants on in his company? Was it just a momentary lapse in her impeccably flawless judgement or is she just as deranged as he is? And please, don't let your prejudice in favor of Sharon color your response.

Quote Its not real:

Yes you are (overdramatizing that is). There is being dramatic and then there is being overdramatic. Even in a drama not everything requires the same stress saying for instance " I'm going to make a sandwich" with the same intensity as " He's going after her with that knife!" might be an example of overdramatizing. Or twisting the facts to give a more shocking version of what really happened is over dramatizing too which is what you did in the "pulling the baby from her womb" example above.

I don't really get the second part of your post did I say anything about Adam being so terrible?

Quote jimjay001:

Nope, you didn't. Just interested in getting your take on the correlation between Adam and Phyllis.

Quote GLfan85:

obviously if you READ it you will see that the "t" was at the end of the "e" instead of spaced over to create the word "the". You are being petty and rediculous.

Quote Blue 501:

Self defense, not murder. And he did not die. He faked it.

Quote Its not real:

Okay, well, the difference I see between Adam and Phyllis is that I think Adam realizes what he does is wrong, he just has all this anger to get out so he does terible things and then a lot of them he regrets later.

Phyllis to me just seems to see only what she wants and goes for it. She doesn't, in my mind, have any empathy for the people she runs over (literally or figuratively)in her dash to her goal and ( much like Victor) she doesn't seem to accept responsibility for the harm she causes.

For her, if you oppose her, that you makes you wrong and means you deserve anything that happens to you...you went against me, so it's your fault you got hurt, if you just did what I wanted I wouldn't have had to run you down, so it's your fault you got injured.

Kind of like the abusive husband who, when arrested for beating his wife responds that "she asked for it". It may just be me but I don't get that same vibe from Adam.

As far as Sharon being with Adam, even after all the horrible things he has done, well I think there are two things that make that more acceptable/believable to me.

The first is that she became involved with him before she knew he had done all that stuff. They fell in love and got married when most of his bad past was still under wraps and I buy that his emotion for Sharon was real. It was probably a bonus that being with her ticked Nick off, but I could believe there was a real bond there too. And I think that they did bring out the best in one another.

After, when the truth about the kidnapping etc. came out, it was too late to make all those feelings of love just disappear. Yes, the first reaction was one of shock and disgust and rejection but over time Sharon would remeber the good things that were between them too.

Also, I think the fact that all the other characters tag teamed Adam probably would make Sharon more likely to come to his defence...she had seen his better, more tender side when they were together so she knew he had one, and to everyone else he was just the devil.

Then when he was framed for the murder of Skye, which she knew in her heart he hadn't committed, and no one else seemed at all interested in uncovering the truth but just wanted to railroad him into jail, I think her sense of fairness also played into her need to stand up for him.

And now, sinced you asked nicely for my take on the Adam Phyllis thing I'm going to confess something which I think has coloured my acceptance of Adam, and that is that I never really was able to buy into that whole gaslighting Ashley, causing the mis-carriage crap that went on.

On one level I know this is cheating because, if you watch a soap I guess you have to take the story as they give it but, for me, that whole period of being in the house, injecting his own eyes and tormenting Ashley never made any sense to me and neither did the whole causing, and then cleaning up all the results of the miscarriage with no one the wiser.

I've had kids and ( not to be too graphic here) after the womb empties itself there are certain after effects that go on. I could not swallow the possibility that Adam could actually have covered everything up and completely deceived Ashley about it, so part of my mind just wiped a lot of that story out and didn't give it full weight.

Also Adam's motives were so murky that I could never figure them out...I'd have thought that if he wanted to hurt Victor having him know Ashley lost the baby would do that so why rush in with a replacement baby..that whole story line was all a bunch of goobledy gook to me and what my mind can't understand it tends to ignore. So not giving full weight to all that mess probably also makes it easier for me to accept Adam as a redeemable character.

Quote jimjay001:

OK. Thank you.