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    Chadam Fans (No Bash)

    Started by Axl Rose at 2012/05/03 02:04PM
    Latest post: 2014/10/21 12:57AM, Views: 1534467, Replies: 31601
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    #24541   2013/10/29 10:48AM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    Spike1976
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    Quote Ari1:
    Quote Spike1976:
    Quote TwoOfEach: I'll be honest here. I do think that JG intended to reunite Shadam at first. The writing was clearly pointing in that direction from mid-October to mid-December last year, but it didn't happen (I'll save the why for another post). Shadam fans did get jerked around.

    However, the handwriting was on the wall on Christmas Day. Any one who has been watching soaps for more than 5 minutes knew that Chelsea was going to be pregnant after the NYE episode and Valentine's Day sealed the deal. It wasn't like the writing magically went bad for Shadam in March or May like some claim. It went bad the last week of 2012.

    So I'm cautious about crowing over a Chadam reunion. The number whores at CBS and Sony determine story now, not what makes good narrative. But I feel confident our couple will deliver. I also think the scenes we're looking forward to have already been filmed so even if it doesn't last we'll have something to hold onto other than empty promises.


    I didn't watch live but just clips from YT but it didn't seem like they were reuniting them. It looked like they just used Sharon as angst for Chadam then they decided to add Dylan to the mix when SBu got hired. They needed the angst because they were too happy of a couple. Sharon was the one that was declaring to herself how much Adam saved her but Adam on the other hand wanted to help her due to guilt. Even when he told Sharon that he will do anything for her, it still sounded like empty promises because Sharon knew Adam wouldn't have fully his heart. They just had Adam's feelings confused due to losing his child and using Sharon as an escape goat.

    What I don't get is audience saying that they had been had? It's a story and stories have different twist. There is no such things as an absolute when it comes to stories.. I can say that Chadam look like they are heading for a reunion base on where the story is heading but it's not absolute.


    This is how I saw it, too, Spike. When Adam road to Sharon's rescue last year, it was to assuage his guilt and numb his pain. He told Chelsea that with Sharon he felt like he could help her and solve her problems while with Chelsea he felt helpless. Later Adam confused guilt with love but by Christmas was able to sort out his feelings.


    It seem like they just prolong the Shadam interaction because SBu got hired. By Shadam having an FWB and Victor lecturing the importance of family, Adam was basically on stand-by until Chelsea had the baby.

    #24542   2013/10/29 11:05AM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    Spike1976
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    Quote cdhg:
    Quote Spike1976:
    Quote TwoOfEach: I'll be honest here. I do think that JG intended to reunite Shadam at first. The writing was clearly pointing in that direction from mid-October to mid-December last year, but it didn't happen (I'll save the why for another post). Shadam fans did get jerked around.

    However, the handwriting was on the wall on Christmas Day. Any one who has been watching soaps for more than 5 minutes knew that Chelsea was going to be pregnant after the NYE episode and Valentine's Day sealed the deal. It wasn't like the writing magically went bad for Shadam in March or May like some claim. It went bad the last week of 2012.

    So I'm cautious about crowing over a Chadam reunion. The number whores at CBS and Sony determine story now, not what makes good narrative. But I feel confident our couple will deliver. I also think the scenes we're looking forward to have already been filmed so even if it doesn't last we'll have something to hold onto other than empty promises.


    I didn't watch live but just clips from YT but it didn't seem like they were reuniting them. It looked like they just used Sharon as angst for Chadam then they decided to add Dylan to the mix when SBu got hired. They needed the angst because they were too happy of a couple. Sharon was the one that was declaring to herself how much Adam saved her but Adam on the other hand wanted to help her due to guilt. Even when he told Sharon that he will do anything for her, it still sounded like empty promises because Sharon knew Adam wouldn't have fully his heart. They just had Adam's feelings confused due to losing his child and using Sharon as an escape goat.

    What I don't get is audience saying that they had been had? It's a story and stories have different twist. There is no such things as an absolute when it comes to stories.. I can say that Chadam look like they are heading for a reunion base on where the story is heading but it's not absolute.


    I can go from doubtful and pessimistic to overconfident at times. Great points about how there are not absolutes when it comes to stories. I need to remember to be confident but not overconfident.

    I have mixed feelings regarding whether JG was planning to reunite Shadam to something serious. I know there are interviews alluding to him going that route, along with other info that has been discussed about the situation. If he planned on it and changed his mind, then it seems it had to happen quickly due to how far they tape in advance, but certain things could have been taped not as far in advance and scripts adjusted along the way. I can see where things were pointing towards Shadam, especially for a couple of months after the miscarriage, but I can also see the angst for Chadam angle too. I would have preferred a different route for the angst, if that was the planned route though.

    Even in the December 10, 2012 episode where Chelsea caught Shadam kissing, there were pro-Chadam things to take from that episode with both talking about iconic moments that each had regarding the other. I can see things even pointing to back to Chadam then, even though things got worse leading up to Adam's Christmas Dream.

    I am not sure about SA and JP's writing style and pacing, but JG seemed to be more of a slow pacing storyteller. IMO, any writing team typically needs to follow through with the foreshadowing and course of direction. I think you can build and maintain viewers with good narratives and carrying forward the reunion stories in the proper manner and direction. The build up to the reunion, moment of reunion, and great moments after the reunion are all part of the picture regarding viewer interest. Isolated weeks and/or episodes regarding ratings can be misleading at times whether in the direction we want things to go or not. Various factors can go into ratings for certain weeks or episodes. This is not to downplay certain weeks, episodes, or ratings, but simply to say there are various things to consider. There are so many important factors to consider IMO, and those factors are a cumulative thing over a proper course of time.


    He seems to like a lot of angst in his storytelling. I'm sure he wanted to break Chadam up because they were too happy. Writers like to mislead viewers of are they or aren't they to get the viewers attention but it's not set in stone. Since they are 2 months ahead of filming, it probably takes about 3 months to change the direction of the story.

    SBu started filming around December and his first air date was end of January. JG probably knew they were negotiating his contract around late November. I'm sure ideas are being thrown already before the contract had been signed and how they want the character to be. I wouldn't be surprise that it takes about 6 months ahead in producing 1 contract character. Regarding Shadam, JG probably already had it his mind 6 months ahead that they will just be temporary.

    #24543   2013/10/29 11:35AM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    gardengal
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    Quote Spike1976:
    Quote cdhg:
    Quote Spike1976:
    Quote TwoOfEach: I'll be honest here. I do think that JG intended to reunite Shadam at first. The writing was clearly pointing in that direction from mid-October to mid-December last year, but it didn't happen (I'll save the why for another post). Shadam fans did get jerked around.

    However, the handwriting was on the wall on Christmas Day. Any one who has been watching soaps for more than 5 minutes knew that Chelsea was going to be pregnant after the NYE episode and Valentine's Day sealed the deal. It wasn't like the writing magically went bad for Shadam in March or May like some claim. It went bad the last week of 2012.

    So I'm cautious about crowing over a Chadam reunion. The number whores at CBS and Sony determine story now, not what makes good narrative. But I feel confident our couple will deliver. I also think the scenes we're looking forward to have already been filmed so even if it doesn't last we'll have something to hold onto other than empty promises.


    I didn't watch live but just clips from YT but it didn't seem like they were reuniting them. It looked like they just used Sharon as angst for Chadam then they decided to add Dylan to the mix when SBu got hired. They needed the angst because they were too happy of a couple. Sharon was the one that was declaring to herself how much Adam saved her but Adam on the other hand wanted to help her due to guilt. Even when he told Sharon that he will do anything for her, it still sounded like empty promises because Sharon knew Adam wouldn't have fully his heart. They just had Adam's feelings confused due to losing his child and using Sharon as an escape goat.

    What I don't get is audience saying that they had been had? It's a story and stories have different twist. There is no such things as an absolute when it comes to stories.. I can say that Chadam look like they are heading for a reunion base on where the story is heading but it's not absolute.


    I can go from doubtful and pessimistic to overconfident at times. Great points about how there are not absolutes when it comes to stories. I need to remember to be confident but not overconfident.

    I have mixed feelings regarding whether JG was planning to reunite Shadam to something serious. I know there are interviews alluding to him going that route, along with other info that has been discussed about the situation. If he planned on it and changed his mind, then it seems it had to happen quickly due to how far they tape in advance, but certain things could have been taped not as far in advance and scripts adjusted along the way. I can see where things were pointing towards Shadam, especially for a couple of months after the miscarriage, but I can also see the angst for Chadam angle too. I would have preferred a different route for the angst, if that was the planned route though.

    Even in the December 10, 2012 episode where Chelsea caught Shadam kissing, there were pro-Chadam things to take from that episode with both talking about iconic moments that each had regarding the other. I can see things even pointing to back to Chadam then, even though things got worse leading up to Adam's Christmas Dream.

    I am not sure about SA and JP's writing style and pacing, but JG seemed to be more of a slow pacing storyteller. IMO, any writing team typically needs to follow through with the foreshadowing and course of direction. I think you can build and maintain viewers with good narratives and carrying forward the reunion stories in the proper manner and direction. The build up to the reunion, moment of reunion, and great moments after the reunion are all part of the picture regarding viewer interest. Isolated weeks and/or episodes regarding ratings can be misleading at times whether in the direction we want things to go or not. Various factors can go into ratings for certain weeks or episodes. This is not to downplay certain weeks, episodes, or ratings, but simply to say there are various things to consider. There are so many important factors to consider IMO, and those factors are a cumulative thing over a proper course of time.


    He seems to like a lot of angst in his storytelling. I'm sure he wanted to break Chadam up because they were too happy. Writers like to mislead viewers of are they or aren't they to get the viewers attention but it's not set in stone. Since they are 2 months ahead of filming, it probably takes about 3 months to change the direction of the story.

    SBu started filming around December and his first air date was end of January. JG probably knew they were negotiating his contract around late November. I'm sure ideas are being thrown already before the contract had been signed and how they want the character to be. I wouldn't be surprise that it takes about 6 months ahead in producing 1 contract character. Regarding Shadam, JG probably already had it his mind 6 months ahead that they will just be temporary.


    My impression of the whole thing last year was they were going to do Shadam until they realized that Chadam was more popular than all those pestering shippers suggested. Adam after the fire rescue was declaring how incapable he was of living without Sharon. Then the Chadam slap happen, and there was a noticeable shift in how they were writing Adam's emotions prior to the mini reunion. They really nailed the Shadam coffin after Feb when Adam kept declaring his total love for Chelsea to Sharon.

    I've no doubt SB signing did factor into Chadam, but I kinda think JG had already decided to make Chadam his Niktor. This is pure conjecture on my part, but MCE's and MM's acting in the fight scenes likely saved Chadam.

    #24544   2013/10/29 11:44AM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    TwoOfEach
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    I'm going to be blunt. November sweeps saved Chadam. Sony & CBS are all about the numbers and the key demos rebelled at the "delicious triangle." As bad as the summer of Chylan was, its ratings exceeded November 2012 sweeps in every measure. That's why I can say with every confidence that Shadam is never coming back at least not as long as Steve Kent and Angelica McD is in charge.

    #24545   2013/10/29 11:55AM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    Laduree
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    Quote Spike1976:
    Quote Ari1:
    Quote Spike1976:
    Quote TwoOfEach: I'll be honest here. I do think that JG intended to reunite Shadam at first. The writing was clearly pointing in that direction from mid-October to mid-December last year, but it didn't happen (I'll save the why for another post). Shadam fans did get jerked around.

    However, the handwriting was on the wall on Christmas Day. Any one who has been watching soaps for more than 5 minutes knew that Chelsea was going to be pregnant after the NYE episode and Valentine's Day sealed the deal. It wasn't like the writing magically went bad for Shadam in March or May like some claim. It went bad the last week of 2012.

    So I'm cautious about crowing over a Chadam reunion. The number whores at CBS and Sony determine story now, not what makes good narrative. But I feel confident our couple will deliver. I also think the scenes we're looking forward to have already been filmed so even if it doesn't last we'll have something to hold onto other than empty promises.


    I didn't watch live but just clips from YT but it didn't seem like they were reuniting them. It looked like they just used Sharon as angst for Chadam then they decided to add Dylan to the mix when SBu got hired. They needed the angst because they were too happy of a couple. Sharon was the one that was declaring to herself how much Adam saved her but Adam on the other hand wanted to help her due to guilt. Even when he told Sharon that he will do anything for her, it still sounded like empty promises because Sharon knew Adam wouldn't have fully his heart. They just had Adam's feelings confused due to losing his child and using Sharon as an escape goat.

    What I don't get is audience saying that they had been had? It's a story and stories have different twist. There is no such things as an absolute when it comes to stories.. I can say that Chadam look like they are heading for a reunion base on where the story is heading but it's not absolute.


    This is how I saw it, too, Spike. When Adam road to Sharon's rescue last year, it was to assuage his guilt and numb his pain. He told Chelsea that with Sharon he felt like he could help her and solve her problems while with Chelsea he felt helpless. Later Adam confused guilt with love but by Christmas was able to sort out his feelings.


    It seem like they just prolong the Shadam interaction because SBu got hired. By Shadam having an FWB and Victor lecturing the importance of family, Adam was basically on stand-by until Chelsea had the baby.


    I only saw Shadam's brief flirtation before they entered into a FWB arrangement, as Adam settling.

    #24546   2013/10/29 12:02PM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    cdhg
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    I should just look this up, but why are some months or periods referred to as sweeps?

    Also, would most of you consider MCE a lead actress now instead of a supporting actress. If she is not a lead actress then there would only be a few who are? I would consider SC, AH, and MTS in that category? MS would fit that bill too, before she left. Others like JW and CK are recurring now. EH has really had much of a lead role until the recent Delia storyline.

    It seems MCE has shifted more into a lead role and maybe JC as well. I know that their last emmy submissions were for supporting actress, but I think of both, especially MCE, as more of a lead actress now.

    #24547   2013/10/29 12:03PM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    Laduree
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    Quote TwoOfEach: I'm going to be blunt. November sweeps saved Chadam. Sony & CBS are all about the numbers and the key demos rebelled at the "delicious triangle." As bad as the summer of Chylan was, its ratings exceeded November 2012 sweeps in every measure. That's why I can say with every confidence that Shadam is never coming back at least not as long as Steve Kent and Angelica McD is in charge.


    Was the suckage known as Chylan a ratings boost when not comparing it to the "delicious triangle" (that wasn't)?

    #24548   2013/10/29 12:06PM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    Laduree
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    Quote cdhg: I should just look this up, but why are some months or periods referred to as sweeps?

    Also, would most of you consider MCE a lead actress now instead of a supporting actress. If she is not a lead actress then there would only be a few who are? I would consider SC, AH, and MTS in that category? MS would fit that bill too, before she left. Others like JW and CK are recurring now. EH has really had much of a lead role until the recent Delia storyline.

    It seems MCE has shifted more into a lead role and maybe JC as well. I know that their last emmy submissions were for supporting actress, but I think of both, especially MCE, as more of a lead actress now.


    I would absolutely consider both MCE and JC lead actresses.

    #24549   2013/10/29 12:14PM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    Ari1
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    Quote Ari1: I can see Chloe and Billy going ballistic when they find out Adam is a suspect. You know they'll think he purposely killed Delia for her corneas. But I'm also thinking that they both might turn on Chelsea as well thinking she was part of this scam. They might think she purposely ran into them crying about Conner so that they'd feel guilty and agree to donate the corneas. I know this sounds absurd, but Billy and Chloe both hated Chelsea when she first came to town. They know she is a con. It wouldn't be that far fetched for them to jump to that conclusion. They are both overly emotional now so they might not be thinking straight. It would sure change things if both Chelsea and Adam are wrongfully accused.

    ^^^
    I posted this earlier and was wondering if anyone else sees this story playing out this way.

    #24550   2013/10/29 12:20PM
    Re: Chadam Fans Only NO BASHING
    alanadz
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    I am team Chadam!

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