Underwhelmed

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby XPac » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:30 pm

Quote stjarna:
Quote XPac: I do think this show sometimes rushes things a bit too much.

The whole dark ripper Stefan really could have ran for an entire season, instead of maybe half a dozen episodes. The entire Original family likewise could have been at least half a season... but I think that entire thing ran like 2-3 episodes. I think they just jammed too much into season 3, and everything ended up getting watered down.


ITA!

Which also brings me to Delena, I would have prefered she slept with him in season 3- the buildup at the beginning of season 3 with them was great!- and it could have been sex, with a bit of guilt on Elena's part- just so it stays conflicted and angsty and a lot of crazy emotions-

now - them happening after having sort of chosen Stefan end of season 3- kind of did not give me the moment I was hoping for!That's me!!!!
I want to add that I loved Delena straight away- but then Elijah appeared- so, love Elejah first :D - and then Delena!!!LOL :-)

Anyway... season was jampacked with lots of stuff and I liked it, except for the last epi!

Storytelling is not easy!!!!


I do think they had Elena swing back and forth between Stefan and Damon a bit too much in the last 2 years.

She obviously got super close to Damon during the ripper stuff, then he got "better" and she ends up choosing Stefan. Then they break up and she sleeps with Damon.

It probably would have felt a bit more organic if the left that that middle part where she chooses Stefan. If she instead stayed kind of neutral then slowly moved towards Damon, rather than going straight from one to the other I think that might have worked better.

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby sharon n nick 4eva » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:23 pm

I think the fans had alot to do with Damon and Elena getting together.

Did the Writers just throw us a bone with this sire stuff??

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby XPac » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:49 pm

Quote sharon n nick 4eva: I think the fans had alot to do with Damon and Elena getting together.

Did the Writers just throw us a bone with this sire stuff??


I do wonder if the writers decided to sort of switch gears with the triangle, especially after the actors playing Damon and Elena started dating.

Obviously it was a triangle from day one, but it was a somewhat lobsided one heavily in favor of Stefan at least in the first and even second season.

But once Elena said mentioned that she might have chosen Damon if they had met first, and they revealed that Damon in fact did meet her first, I really felt a strong shift in the other direction.

This may be my own personal bias, but I almost think the show at this point wants you to root for Damon because he's kind of the underdog.

I do think the sire bond is a "safe" way to get Damon and Elena together, while still being able to return things to status quo down the line without much difficulty. Things can easily sort of "reset" once she's cured or whatever.

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby sharon n nick 4eva » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:24 pm

Quote XPac:
Quote sharon n nick 4eva: I think the fans had alot to do with Damon and Elena getting together.

Did the Writers just throw us a bone with this sire stuff??


I do wonder if the writers decided to sort of switch gears with the triangle, especially after the actors playing Damon and Elena started dating.

Obviously it was a triangle from day one, but it was a somewhat lobsided one heavily in favor of Stefan at least in the first and even second season.

But once Elena said mentioned that she might have chosen Damon if they had met first, and they revealed that Damon in fact did meet her first, I really felt a strong shift in the other direction.

This may be my own personal bias, but I almost think the show at this point wants you to root for Damon because he's kind of the underdog.

I do think the sire bond is a "safe" way to get Damon and Elena together, while still being able to return things to status quo down the line without much difficulty. Things can easily sort of "reset" once she's cured or whatever.


Now that Elena slept with Damon will she ever sleep with Stefan again? I hope not, but will the Writes go there.

Is it ok in Vampire land to sleep with someone?

are there any rules???

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby XPac » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:08 pm

Quote sharon n nick 4eva:
Quote XPac:
Quote sharon n nick 4eva: I think the fans had alot to do with Damon and Elena getting together.

Did the Writers just throw us a bone with this sire stuff??


I do wonder if the writers decided to sort of switch gears with the triangle, especially after the actors playing Damon and Elena started dating.

Obviously it was a triangle from day one, but it was a somewhat lobsided one heavily in favor of Stefan at least in the first and even second season.

But once Elena said mentioned that she might have chosen Damon if they had met first, and they revealed that Damon in fact did meet her first, I really felt a strong shift in the other direction.

This may be my own personal bias, but I almost think the show at this point wants you to root for Damon because he's kind of the underdog.

I do think the sire bond is a "safe" way to get Damon and Elena together, while still being able to return things to status quo down the line without much difficulty. Things can easily sort of "reset" once she's cured or whatever.


Now that Elena slept with Damon will she ever sleep with Stefan again? I hope not, but will the Writes go there.

Is it ok in Vampire land to sleep with someone?

are there any rules???


They did mention earlier in the season a rule about a girlfriend who dates a vampire not sucking on another vampire's blood. Damon implied that was sort of a vampire no-no when he allowed Elena to drink from him. Maybe to vamps that's sort of the equivalent of sex.

As far as sex goes... technically Elena was broken up with Stefan when she slept with Damon. Though Stefan obviously isn't thrilled about that, I don't think they technically broke any "rules." Though I suppose when you're dealing with brothers, it's sort of messed up no matter what.

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby stjarna » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:29 am

Quote XPac:
Quote sharon n nick 4eva:
Quote XPac:
Quote sharon n nick 4eva: I think the fans had alot to do with Damon and Elena getting together.

Did the Writers just throw us a bone with this sire stuff??


I do wonder if the writers decided to sort of switch gears with the triangle, especially after the actors playing Damon and Elena started dating.

Obviously it was a triangle from day one, but it was a somewhat lobsided one heavily in favor of Stefan at least in the first and even second season.

But once Elena said mentioned that she might have chosen Damon if they had met first, and they revealed that Damon in fact did meet her first, I really felt a strong shift in the other direction.

This may be my own personal bias, but I almost think the show at this point wants you to root for Damon because he's kind of the underdog.

I do think the sire bond is a "safe" way to get Damon and Elena together, while still being able to return things to status quo down the line without much difficulty. Things can easily sort of "reset" once she's cured or whatever.


Now that Elena slept with Damon will she ever sleep with Stefan again? I hope not, but will the Writes go there.

Is it ok in Vampire land to sleep with someone?

are there any rules???


They did mention earlier in the season a rule about a girlfriend who dates a vampire not sucking on another vampire's blood. Damon implied that was sort of a vampire no-no when he allowed Elena to drink from him. Maybe to vamps that's sort of the equivalent of sex.

As far as sex goes... technically Elena was broken up with Stefan when she slept with Damon. Though Stefan obviously isn't thrilled about that, I don't think they technically broke any "rules." Though I suppose when you're dealing with brothers, it's sort of messed up no matter what.


If they put Elena back with Stefan, it will be super lame- and then she is just a messed up sl%t- and she being a vampire or a human would make her someone with no strong character- and she is no better than Katerina- and that's,imo, not just lame but really rubbish!!!

It is so much better when vampires have no rules!!!! :D

IMO, I think that it was from day one planned that Damon and Elena get together- and I loved the way their love story started... why couldn't they do the angsty romance thing with them- is romance obsolete and overrated nowadays?!
cos - you put it right - now it is all kind of technically-
it should be stuff of Angel and Buffy- the ache, the can't have, the want, the proufound smth...
or that's in the past?! :D :))

Triangle with brothers involved never is a good thing, imo, girl coming between brothers- is smth heading for a disaster...
Damon loves Stefan, an he was conflicted about him falling for his brother's girl- and they should have played with this conflict within Damon, imo-
anyway- it is all now done technically!!! And that makes me also underwehlmed!!!

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby stjarna » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:42 am

Forgot to add- LOL :-)

Hence- that's why they should put Elijah :D in the mixture to completely rattle the cage with the Salvatores-Elena!!!!

:D ~) :D :D

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby sharon n nick 4eva » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:12 pm

Quote stjarna: Forgot to add- LOL :-)

Hence- that's why they should put Elijah :D in the mixture to completely rattle the cage with the Salvatores-Elena!!!!

:D ~) :D :D


8) :~ :)

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby aerinha » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:45 pm

Buffy had a great human element. Sometimes the monster was a monster and sometimes it was a metaphor for a life issue. Diaires could use that.

Imagine if Uncle John (who should always have been an uncle the adoption thing was dumb) became Elena's guardian either by legally gaining control or after .jenna died and got in the way of Stelena. Human issue, giving them something to triumph over, that was a break from the season long supernatural issue.

Their biggest prob is that every ep has to harp on the season's problem and the characters are moved around to forward it instead of their actions in life ofrwarding the action.

I liked .stelena, I just got bored with them because they wrote them like an old married couple. No love scenes after the first one, breaking up everyn time there was a bump.

Where was Elena's worry that Stefan might want Katherine back? Why couldn't ripper Stefan turn good over the pain of seeing Elena kiss Damon? Why did we have to know who she picked before she died?

Imagine if Elena went off the bridge, vanished, Matt was in a coma and the others spent an ep fighting over who she was going to before er death. Matt wakes, can't remember because vampire Elena compelled him not to.

Sharon I can't figure out who they are jerking around with the sire bond. Til now I would swear Delena would never happen, they were stringing along fans so they kept watching while she'd wind up with Stefan. This could be more of a same, use the bond to say it was the only reason she wanted him. Or they could now be toying with .stelena fans. Give them a hope that it is all fake so they keep watching.

Joey did pick Pacey, but KW wasn't with Dawson by then. However that s driven by fan retraction.

Season three started out ok, but Elena should have moved on when she said she would. Dated a human or two, then just when she kissed .damkn, Stefan sees it and the pain makes him feel. He spends the rest of the season faking being bad so Klaus won't know and to spy on how close Elena is to Damon and for how long. For me it fell apart when Elena Went right back to begging him to love her again.

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Re: Underwhelmed

Postby aerinha » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:53 pm

How this bond thing ends will be telling. If it breaks and she loves both, ok. If she still loves Damon alone, ok. If she runs back to Stefan it's clear the writers are using Delena fans for ratings and they will never happen for real.

I suspect this is a test. Both of how long they can string along Stelena fans (Delena fans lasted three seasons) and if the Moonlighting effect will take hold if Delena are together. If ratings drop, they will end Delena, if they stay up they may continue with them.

A triangle to me is one person equally loving two others. iMO this show has never done that. It went from Elena being all about Stefan to her being all aboutbDamon. The closest it came was season three where she seemed to slowly be falling for Damon, but we saw where that went.

I risk getting flamed for this, but I am not a big fan of JP, I wish Kevin creator of Sydney Prescott and Joeybpotter would take over for some girl power.


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