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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby moneytalks » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:52 pm

I don't feel sorry for Katie. Not one little bit. Except I feel sympathy for her heart problems of course. She has become so much stronger as a result of her creepy sister showing what she really is. She has learned that Bill is just a paper tiger. She has grown out of dependence on both of them. It is not easy or comfortable and every now and then she thinks it would be easier to just give in and be their doormat again. Before this she thought they were better than she was but now she knows she is the better person. Katie has gained. Brooke and Bill have lost big time unless unlimited, mindless sex is the only thing in life worth having.

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby JudyLudy » Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:56 pm

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Yes she does. I'm tired of people bashing Brooke for things that she can't control. It was Katie and Katie alone who pushed them together. I can't understand how people think that Brooke should always take responsibility for her actions, but Katie always no matter what gets a free pass. I'm not saying that Brooke is perfect, but neither is Katie. She is using this PPD as an excuse to not to take responsibility for something SHE set in motion. She can't stop crying like a baby because she can't have what she wants. Has she ever thought about that Bill might not want her back because all she ever did after Will was born was push him away. Bill needed her to be a wife to him as well. But, instead of doing that she pushed him away. She thinks that she can do whatever she wants to other people and people are supposed to forgive her, but she won't forgive. She lives by a double standard.



I'm sorry but I whole heartedly disagree with you, first of all, Katie was ill, the entire time it was shown on screen this woman was mentally unstable. She could hear her heart beating loud as a drum, even her perception of the things around here were dark, warped and haunting. What was that FAKING?????? PRETENDING???? She woman was suffering, we all witness it every single day she pushed them together. katie was afraid of dying again, and since she was the only one on that show besides Taylor, that had to deal with DYING, I don't think none of them can speak on what she was going thur.

That along with the trauma of delivering a baby can bring to woman's life, is enough to make anyone break and loose concept of reality. Katie was making arrangements for after she passes away. We all heard her, she was preparing for people to take her place, that alone said how sick she was. Who makes plans for after they pass to that degree, getting a mother for her new born child, and a wife for her husband? She didn't do that out of malice, she had no malicious intent, as a matter of fact, she was doing a act of love for both Brooke and bill, thinking of both of them and not herself.

How on earth is that unselfish act looked upon as a malicious act that deserves being punished???? I don't get it, she did what she did out of love, and benefitted nothing from it other than having someone to care for her loved ones after she's gone.

YEAH hang her a$$, how freaking dare she do something as horrific as make plans for her family after she's gone. GMAFB!




I'm sorry I just do believe that she did know what she was doing. You can't use a disease like PPD as an excuse. Put it this way: my dad has had strokes he's ok now, but that don't give him the right to treat me any way he wants. Same goes fir Katie.



You're entitled to your beliefs, but it's documented scientific fact that women suffering from PPD is not in control of their mental state, and there are degrees to this disease, some even with the mother taking the life of her own newborn baby. So it does indeed effect your decision making abilities. And again, we saw for ourselves, they took the time to allow us a peek into katie's world, and it was warped and disfigured and that deafen heart beat going on constantly.

That proved how sick Katie was, so she didn't push them together while she was in her right mind. If you choose to not give her empathy or compassion for her suffering that's one thing, but you can't take away the fact she was suffering from a dangerous disease.


Katie was NOT sick when Brooke and Bill had sex the first time. She (Katie) had just once again thrown her rings back at Bill and declared the marriage was over. Whilst Katie was suffering from PPD Bill and Brooke did NOTHING about acting on what Katie was setting up eg trip to Aspen, hot air balloon rides;

It was the morning after the car accident when Katie arrived and Brooke and found that Bill had slept at Brookes house (and in her bed) but not with Brooke that Katies flew off the deep end and threw her rings back at Bill (yet again) and declared the marriage over then Brooke and Bill had sex.

After Katied had her attack and was coming out of her coma she once again asked for her rings back and Bill gave them to her and vowed to make the marriage work and they were on their way to doing that until big snoopy nose Taylor had to get her say into the whole thing



PPD only internsified Katie's issues. Katie was ALWAYS a nagging, demanding, control freak. PPD made that WORSE. And still that gave Katie NO right to play with Brooke and Bill's emotions and fragile state and then expect them to press a button and forget everything. People are not machines.

Brooke did everything in her power to help and support Katie and her marriage. If it wasn't for Brooke's support, the Batie marriage would have ended sooner. Bill was losing his patience when Katie, with no PPD anymore, refused to be a wife to him and was whining to him day and night, then kept walking out on him over and over again only to come crawiling back 5 minutes later. Most men would have left Katie long time ago, Bill was more than patient with her because of her heart condition, their child and Brooke's efforts.

Katie is totally incapable of being in an adult relationship, she doesn't know how to love, how to support, how to understand and appreciate, all Katie knows is draw attention to herself and guilt trip others to do what she wants.

Brooke and everyone else overprotected Katie all her life and as a result, Katie now things she can throw a pity party and everyhing will go the way she wants.

'' I don't want Bill, but I don't want you to have him either''.'' I will love you, only if you do what I want. I have all the excuses in the world for what I did, you have none.Do what I want, and i may start loving you back''.

Katie is a mess and wll always be a mess, because she loves it. Brooke put her in her place brilliantly. She knows her baby sister is all about empty threats, empty promises and fake performances''.

She went from portraying Brooke as the devil for ''stealing Bill'' to portraying her as an angel who was always there for her. You can't have it both ways Katie.

Brooke and Bill are here to stay, . Read Don Diamont's new interview on TV guide. Brilliant and totally spot on. He says everything more viewers say.

:D

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby Sassywithclass » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:43 pm

Sure Katie brought this on herself just like Beth,Caroline,Stephanie,Taylor,Darla,Donna,Bridget and Hope did. Brooke and all the men she stole from other women always blame the other women because Brooke is such a manipulative, cunning, selfish w----. Men can't get pass their ego/dingy getting stroked.

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby HFless » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:54 am

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Yes she does. I'm tired of people bashing Brooke for things that she can't control. It was Katie and Katie alone who pushed them together. I can't understand how people think that Brooke should always take responsibility for her actions, but Katie always no matter what gets a free pass. I'm not saying that Brooke is perfect, but neither is Katie. She is using this PPD as an excuse to not to take responsibility for something SHE set in motion. She can't stop crying like a baby because she can't have what she wants. Has she ever thought about that Bill might not want her back because all she ever did after Will was born was push him away. Bill needed her to be a wife to him as well. But, instead of doing that she pushed him away. She thinks that she can do whatever she wants to other people and people are supposed to forgive her, but she won't forgive. She lives by a double standard.



I'm sorry but I whole heartedly disagree with you, first of all, Katie was ill, the entire time it was shown on screen this woman was mentally unstable. She could hear her heart beating loud as a drum, even her perception of the things around here were dark, warped and haunting. What was that FAKING?????? PRETENDING???? She woman was suffering, we all witness it every single day she pushed them together. katie was afraid of dying again, and since she was the only one on that show besides Taylor, that had to deal with DYING, I don't think none of them can speak on what she was going thur.

That along with the trauma of delivering a baby can bring to woman's life, is enough to make anyone break and loose concept of reality. Katie was making arrangements for after she passes away. We all heard her, she was preparing for people to take her place, that alone said how sick she was. Who makes plans for after they pass to that degree, getting a mother for her new born child, and a wife for her husband? She didn't do that out of malice, she had no malicious intent, as a matter of fact, she was doing a act of love for both Brooke and bill, thinking of both of them and not herself.

How on earth is that unselfish act looked upon as a malicious act that deserves being punished???? I don't get it, she did what she did out of love, and benefitted nothing from it other than having someone to care for her loved ones after she's gone.

YEAH hang her a$$, how freaking dare she do something as horrific as make plans for her family after she's gone. GMAFB!




I'm sorry I just do believe that she did know what she was doing. You can't use a disease like PPD as an excuse. Put it this way: my dad has had strokes he's ok now, but that don't give him the right to treat me any way he wants. Same goes fir Katie.



You're entitled to your beliefs, but it's documented scientific fact that women suffering from PPD is not in control of their mental state, and there are degrees to this disease, some even with the mother taking the life of her own newborn baby. So it does indeed effect your decision making abilities. And again, we saw for ourselves, they took the time to allow us a peek into katie's world, and it was warped and disfigured and that deafen heart beat going on constantly.

That proved how sick Katie was, so she didn't push them together while she was in her right mind. If you choose to not give her empathy or compassion for her suffering that's one thing, but you can't take away the fact she was suffering from a dangerous disease.


Katie was NOT sick when Brooke and Bill had sex the first time. She (Katie) had just once again thrown her rings back at Bill and declared the marriage was over. Whilst Katie was suffering from PPD Bill and Brooke did NOTHING about acting on what Katie was setting up eg trip to Aspen, hot air balloon rides;

It was the morning after the car accident when Katie arrived and Brooke and found that Bill had slept at Brookes house (and in her bed) but not with Brooke that Katies flew off the deep end and threw her rings back at Bill (yet again) and declared the marriage over then Brooke and Bill had sex.

After Katied had her attack and was coming out of her coma she once again asked for her rings back and Bill gave them to her and vowed to make the marriage work and they were on their way to doing that until big snoopy nose Taylor had to get her say into the whole thing



PPD only internsified Katie's issues. Katie was ALWAYS a nagging, demanding, control freak. PPD made that WORSE. And still that gave Katie NO right to play with Brooke and Bill's emotions and fragile state and then expect them to press a button and forget everything. People are not machines.

Brooke did everything in her power to help and support Katie and her marriage. If it wasn't for Brooke's support, the Batie marriage would have ended sooner. Bill was losing his patience when Katie, with no PPD anymore, refused to be a wife to him and was whining to him day and night, then kept walking out on him over and over again only to come crawiling back 5 minutes later. Most men would have left Katie long time ago, Bill was more than patient with her because of her heart condition, their child and Brooke's efforts.

Katie is totally incapable of being in an adult relationship, she doesn't know how to love, how to support, how to understand and appreciate, all Katie knows is draw attention to herself and guilt trip others to do what she wants.

Brooke and everyone else overprotected Katie all her life and as a result, Katie now things she can throw a pity party and everyhing will go the way she wants.

'' I don't want Bill, but I don't want you to have him either''.'' I will love you, only if you do what I want. I have all the excuses in the world for what I did, you have none.Do what I want, and i may start loving you back''.

Katie is a mess and wll always be a mess, because she loves it. Brooke put her in her place brilliantly. She knows her baby sister is all about empty threats, empty promises and fake performances''.

She went from portraying Brooke as the devil for ''stealing Bill'' to portraying her as an angel who was always there for her. You can't have it both ways Katie.

Brooke and Bill are here to stay, . Read Don Diamont's new interview on TV guide. Brilliant and totally spot on. He says everything more viewers say.

:D


All her life Katie has been protected by her family it has always been a case of "poor Katie"she has always gotten what she wanted and now the tables have turned and she is being required to be an adult and she can't so tough luck for her.

I don't agree with what Brooke and Bill have done but they have no cause to feel any guilt IMO more was done to them than by them

Katie has had to learn the hard way or did she learn only time will tell

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby stargaze » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:13 am

Quote jilltidwell: Katie needs to stop trying to get people to feel sorry for her. She brought this on herself. It started when she was pregnant and hot worse after she had Will. I'm not one to think that you can blame a disease on something you do or don't do. I don't believe that she can blame the PPD for everything. I believe she knew exactly what she was doing when she did it. She acts like she had no part in it. She must have forgotten about when she did the same thing to Brooke's daughter Bridget. She wanted Brooke and Bridget to forgive her, but she can't do the same to Brooke and Bill. She uses a double standard when she uses one set of rules for herself and another for everyone else.


Oh do you mean she uses the double standard that Brooke uses like Steffy was wrong to go after Liam when Hope broke their engagement but it was okay when a distraught Katie took off her rings after finding Brooke with her husband on a bed in her nightwear for the second time after she specifically asked Brooke to stay away from her husband.

Brooke was warned that Katie was suffering from PDD when she attempted to put Brooke and Bill together. Brooke was told that Katie was not making rationale decisions because of her illness. Brooke was told that when Katie got the help that she needs she would want her family intact. Both Brooke and Bill knew that this decision was made while Katie was ill but they continued down the path all the while saying that Taylor was just saying these things out of spite because of her past relationship with Brooke.

When Taylor was finally able to get Katie the help that she needed and got her back home then told Katie about the kiss that Brooke and Bill had shared, Katie asked Brooke and Bill straight out if they had developed feelings for each other. Both Brooke and Bill denied that they had. Maybe it is time for Katie to remind them that she asked them about their feelings way back when she first was receiving treatment for her PDD. It is at this point where Katie's responsibility for trying to put them together really ends because from this point on Katie was no longer trying to put them together. Katie unfortunately believed them when they told her that nothing was going on and that Taylor was just paranoid because of her past history with Brooke.

From this point on Brooke (I know she really believes) acts like she is being supportive of Katie. She keeps telling Katie all she is doing wrong with Bill, while Brooke keeps telling Bill that Katie needs to understand and accept (the way that Brooke does) Bill for who he is. It is no wonder that Bill chooses Brooke in the end because it is a lot of work trying to be a better person and treat people with respect instead of tyranny.

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby stargaze » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:32 am

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Quote JaNell36: Katie need to grow up and stop playing games. She lost.. move on already!




Yes she does. I'm tired of people bashing Brooke for things that she can't control. It was Katie and Katie alone who pushed them together. I can't understand how people think that Brooke should always take responsibility for her actions, but Katie always no matter what gets a free pass. I'm not saying that Brooke is perfect, but neither is Katie. She is using this PPD as an excuse to not to take responsibility for something SHE set in motion. She can't stop crying like a baby because she can't have what she wants. Has she ever thought about that Bill might not want her back because all she ever did after Will was born was push him away. Bill needed her to be a wife to him as well. But, instead of doing that she pushed him away. She thinks that she can do whatever she wants to other people and people are supposed to forgive her, but she won't forgive. She lives by a double standard.



Brooke was warned by Taylor that it was Katie' PDD that was causing her to make irrationale decisions but Brooke could not control herself from taking advantage of her sister's illness. Brooke was not mentally incapacitated at the time and neither was Bill. They made their decisions knowing that Katie's were made because of her illness but somehow all of the blame is suppose to fall on Katie's shoulders.

Bill needed Katie to be a wife. People seem to think that just because Katie was receiving treatment for her illness that she was all better. This was not the case. Yes Katie was not giving into Bill's sexual demands. Katie was focussed on trying to form a bond with her son. She was putting the needs of Bill's son ahead of Bill's needs. What a horrible person. Brooke would never have put the needs of her child ahead of her man.

Katie needed a supportive husband and sister but this is not what she got. She got a husband who kept running to her sister complaining that Katie was not fulfilling her wifely duties. Katie was in his mind using Will as an excuse. Oh yes he offered to get someone to take care of Will so Katie could spend more time with him. Bill did not recognize or even care to recognize what was going on with Katie. And Brooke's support to Katie was telling her that she needed to address her husband's needs and that she was wrong for expecting Bill to act more responsibly with his drinking. Even after Bill ran into Brooke's car while he was driving under the influence of alcohol she still reiterated that Bill did not have a drinking problem. Oh right he drove drunk but it was all Katie's fault because she kept saying "No".

And if you are going to start saying that Katie has double standards then you better be looking at Brooke and Bill because both of these people have double standards. Oh right it is okay for them but not for Katie.

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby Mara5 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:32 am

I do feel sorry for brooke fans, they are trying to justify brookes disgusting behavior the problem is brooke and bill cant be justify, it was only their choice to betray katie and to give in, because they need so bad stroking their egos...speaking of dd interview i am laughing they are propping brill so bad because most people dont buy them and find them sick...i wonder what dd will say when brooke will cheat on him i bet he wont call her soulmate anymore :-) Brill wil end this year so keep watching hahahahaha

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby JaNell36 » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:36 am

Quote Mara5: I do feel sorry for brooke fans, they are trying to justify brookes disgusting behavior the problem is brooke and bill cant be justify, it was only their choice to betray katie and to give in, because they need so bad stroking their egos...speaking of dd interview i am laughing they are propping brill so bad because most people dont buy them and find them sick...i wonder what dd will say when brooke will cheat on him i bet he wont call her soulmate anymore :-) Brill wil end this year so keep watching hahahahaha


I told you.. Bashing a fan base is against the rules... Just because we like Brooke or Brill we are not dumb... I ahve never called you out on you fav.

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby bethonly » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:45 am

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Quote JaNell36: Katie need to grow up and stop playing games. She lost.. move on already!




Yes she does. I'm tired of people bashing Brooke for things that she can't control. It was Katie and Katie alone who pushed them together. I can't understand how people think that Brooke should always take responsibility for her actions, but Katie always no matter what gets a free pass. I'm not saying that Brooke is perfect, but neither is Katie. She is using this PPD as an excuse to not to take responsibility for something SHE set in motion. She can't stop crying like a baby because she can't have what she wants. Has she ever thought about that Bill might not want her back because all she ever did after Will was born was push him away. Bill needed her to be a wife to him as well. But, instead of doing that she pushed him away. She thinks that she can do whatever she wants to other people and people are supposed to forgive her, but she won't forgive. She lives by a double standard.



Brooke was warned by Taylor that it was Katie' PDD that was causing her to make irrationale decisions but Brooke could not control herself from taking advantage of her sister's illness. Brooke was not mentally incapacitated at the time and neither was Bill. They made their decisions knowing that Katie's were made because of her illness but somehow all of the blame is suppose to fall on Katie's shoulders.

Bill needed Katie to be a wife. People seem to think that just because Katie was receiving treatment for her illness that she was all better. This was not the case. Yes Katie was not giving into Bill's sexual demands. Katie was focussed on trying to form a bond with her son. She was putting the needs of Bill's son ahead of Bill's needs. What a horrible person. Brooke would never have put the needs of her child ahead of her man.

Katie needed a supportive husband and sister but this is not what she got. She got a husband who kept running to her sister complaining that Katie was not fulfilling her wifely duties. Katie was in his mind using Will as an excuse. Oh yes he offered to get someone to take care of Will so Katie could spend more time with him. Bill did not recognize or even care to recognize what was going on with Katie. And Brooke's support to Katie was telling her that she needed to address her husband's needs and that she was wrong for expecting Bill to act more responsibly with his drinking. Even after Bill ran into Brooke's car while he was driving under the influence of alcohol she still reiterated that Bill did not have a drinking problem. Oh right he drove drunk but it was all Katie's fault because she kept saying "No".

And if you are going to start saying that Katie has double standards then you better be looking at Brooke and Bill because both of these people have double standards. Oh right it is okay for them but not for Katie.


that's a sad excuse. my mom bonded with all her children and still had time for my dad. children sleep a lot so you know there's time to also bond with your husband. since I had 4 brothers and 4 sisters I know that she spent quality time with him and yet, we never felt neglected. and if anyone deserved ppd to get away from reality for awhile it was her. but she never took the time for that. Katie is a fake.

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Re: Katie brought this on herself. I don't feel sorry

Postby stargaze » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:02 am

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Quote stargaze:
Quote jilltidwell:
Quote JaNell36: Katie need to grow up and stop playing games. She lost.. move on already!




Yes she does. I'm tired of people bashing Brooke for things that she can't control. It was Katie and Katie alone who pushed them together. I can't understand how people think that Brooke should always take responsibility for her actions, but Katie always no matter what gets a free pass. I'm not saying that Brooke is perfect, but neither is Katie. She is using this PPD as an excuse to not to take responsibility for something SHE set in motion. She can't stop crying like a baby because she can't have what she wants. Has she ever thought about that Bill might not want her back because all she ever did after Will was born was push him away. Bill needed her to be a wife to him as well. But, instead of doing that she pushed him away. She thinks that she can do whatever she wants to other people and people are supposed to forgive her, but she won't forgive. She lives by a double standard.



Brooke was warned by Taylor that it was Katie' PDD that was causing her to make irrationale decisions but Brooke could not control herself from taking advantage of her sister's illness. Brooke was not mentally incapacitated at the time and neither was Bill. They made their decisions knowing that Katie's were made because of her illness but somehow all of the blame is suppose to fall on Katie's shoulders.

Bill needed Katie to be a wife. People seem to think that just because Katie was receiving treatment for her illness that she was all better. This was not the case. Yes Katie was not giving into Bill's sexual demands. Katie was focussed on trying to form a bond with her son. She was putting the needs of Bill's son ahead of Bill's needs. What a horrible person. Brooke would never have put the needs of her child ahead of her man.

Katie needed a supportive husband and sister but this is not what she got. She got a husband who kept running to her sister complaining that Katie was not fulfilling her wifely duties. Katie was in his mind using Will as an excuse. Oh yes he offered to get someone to take care of Will so Katie could spend more time with him. Bill did not recognize or even care to recognize what was going on with Katie. And Brooke's support to Katie was telling her that she needed to address her husband's needs and that she was wrong for expecting Bill to act more responsibly with his drinking. Even after Bill ran into Brooke's car while he was driving under the influence of alcohol she still reiterated that Bill did not have a drinking problem. Oh right he drove drunk but it was all Katie's fault because she kept saying "No".

And if you are going to start saying that Katie has double standards then you better be looking at Brooke and Bill because both of these people have double standards. Oh right it is okay for them but not for Katie.


that's a sad excuse. my mom bonded with all her children and still had time for my dad. children sleep a lot so you know there's time to also bond with your husband. since I had 4 brothers and 4 sisters I know that she spent quality time with him and yet, we never felt neglected. and if anyone deserved ppd to get away from reality for awhile it was her. but she never took the time for that. Katie is a fake.


Yes the majority of women bond easily with their child but this was not the case in this situation. Katie has a severe case of PDD. While many of us have suffered from Post partum blues we still may not have a true understanding of PDD. I would not wish Katie s form of PDD on anyone. The writer s tried their best to get us to understand what Katie was going through at the time but people being people will put their own stamp on it. Having had a sister-in-law who suffered from PDD. Perhaps you have never encounter someone who has suffered from PDD so you are looking at the situation from a different perspective. You are looking at a situation where there was no difficulty bonding with a child so you seem to have difficulty understanding how the difficulty could be reflected in the marital relationship.


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