YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby luvroflife » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:40 pm

Don't think argument that TWC/CBS blackout valid. The blackout started 8/2 and any fall out was reflected in the ratings for week of 8/2 - 8/9. It would not cause additional weekly drops since that date due to all affected viewers not having access since 8/2.

Some viewers are just weary of the 'rinse & repeat' s/ls; the trashing of characters to force plots; little to no backstory to support the newbies that are now front and center. Lazy, unimaginative writing. All characters dumbed down for shock purposes.

This show has an opportunity to change daytime and bring soaps forward (if they cared); bring in s/ls that reflect current day. The overuse of "WTD" and "weak ADULTS constantly behaving juvenile to get someone in the sack" isn't attracting the desired demo. Everyone is not good, understand, but everyone is not and does not have to be bad.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby MsSuperSuds » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:29 pm

Quote luvroflife: Don't think argument that TWC/CBS blackout valid. The blackout started 8/2 and any fall out was reflected in the ratings for week of 8/2 - 8/9. It would not cause additional weekly drops since that date due to all affected viewers not having access since 8/2.

Some viewers are just weary of the 'rinse & repeat' s/ls; the trashing of characters to force plots; little to no backstory to support the newbies that are now front and center. Lazy, unimaginative writing. All characters dumbed down for shock purposes.

This show has an opportunity to change daytime and bring soaps forward (if they cared); bring in s/ls that reflect current day. The overuse of "WTD" and "weak ADULTS constantly behaving juvenile to get someone in the sack" isn't attracting the desired demo. Everyone is not good, understand, but everyone is not and does not have to be bad.


Great Post! I totally agree with you that none of these external events have an effect on the ratings for Y&R. Holidays happen, summer vacations start & end, pre-emptions for special events like the USA Tennis Tournament, blackouts of some sort always happen but they have very little if any effect on viewers watching the show or the decline in ratings. Its the show itself that is turning off viewers. Viewers will find a way to watch if the show is good or if they want to watch it anyway--especially now in the day of all the recording and electronic devices available. What is phenomenal is that we can watch via our cell phones. We must stop making these excuses and Let the responsibility for poor ratings fall in the right place.

Thanks for your post! Y&R is now JFP's baby excusively. Whether she sinks, swims and/or gets Y&R cancelled is a wait & see process.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby shalaydra75 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:07 pm

Quote MsSuperSuds:
Quote billsboy: I hate to say this but when Lynn Marie Latham was writing the show (and it was bad then) it was NOT as BAD as it is now. ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~)


There is a big difference in the creative processes of the three regimes. Lynn Marie Latham could at least write coherent stories with a beginning, a middle or climax and a resolution. I think most viewers who objected to her writing objected to the stories moreso than how they were written. LML was a writer who could tell good stories. I also liked that she was willing to go out on a limb (vary from the norm) to create new and/or or fresh stories whether you liked them or not. Can't say the same for either MAB's or JFP's regimes. Shock & awe w/ lots of sexual hookups, short marriages, quickie divorces masquerading as good storylines are not entertaining and just do not fit Y&R. Business storylines got lost somewhere & are never as good as then. One thing is for certain & that is LML kept the ratings above 4.0 while her successors have not.


Suds, ITA!!! I want to add that LML increased ratings dramatically. I quickly glanced over the ratings during LML's tenure. Most weeks, her ratings were much higher than the previous year. Moreover, on at least 4 occasions, her ratings were over 700,000 higher than the previous year. Whether posters like LML are not, she was good for business.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby MsSuperSuds » Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:53 pm

Quote shalaydra75:
Quote MsSuperSuds:
Quote billsboy: I hate to say this but when Lynn Marie Latham was writing the show (and it was bad then) it was NOT as BAD as it is now. ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~)


There is a big difference in the creative processes of the three regimes. Lynn Marie Latham could at least write coherent stories with a beginning, a middle or climax and a resolution. I think most viewers who objected to her writing objected to the stories moreso than how they were written. LML was a writer who could tell good stories. I also liked that she was willing to go out on a limb (vary from the norm) to create new and/or or fresh stories whether you liked them or not. Can't say the same for either MAB's or JFP's regimes. Shock & awe w/ lots of sexual hookups, short marriages, quickie divorces masquerading as good storylines are not entertaining and just do not fit Y&R. Business storylines got lost somewhere & are never as good as then. One thing is for certain & that is LML kept the ratings above 4.0 while her successors have not.


Suds, ITA!!! I want to add that LML increased ratings dramatically. I quickly glanced over the ratings during LML's tenure. Most weeks, her ratings were much higher than the previous year. Moreover, on at least 4 occasions, her ratings were over 700,000 higher than the previous year. Whether posters like LML are not, she was good for business.


Lynn Marie Latham was also the principal or Head writer for Knotts Landing for years. She is responsible for Ted Schackleford's career on both KL and Y&R. I remember Donna Mills, Karen, Gary & Valene Ewing almost as if they happened yesterday, so LML has created many memorable characters. Lynn Marie Latham was and is an established writer from primetime soaps; so I differ w/ the notion that she was & is not a good writer. I love her b/c she gave me Lily and Cane Ashby. That relationship alone is one that was created outside the box on so many levels. LML wrote romances and good business storylines. MAB & JFP write impulsive sexual hookups & sexcapades as an attempt to show romance which do not work very well or last very long. Business storylines, equality for women, and Love/romance in the afternoon are lost on these latter two female HWs.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby Deana4Villy » Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:10 pm

Quote ChrissyK: The show is probably down because of the 3 million people who have TWC in LA, NY and Dallas that can't watch Y&R or any CBS show due to the dispute btw the 2 parties.


Excellent point. I don't know why it surprised me, but it did when I saw one of the star's post on Twitter that she couldn't get her own show until she got rid of TWC.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby shalaydra75 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:36 am

Quote MsSuperSuds:
Quote shalaydra75:
Quote MsSuperSuds:
Quote billsboy: I hate to say this but when Lynn Marie Latham was writing the show (and it was bad then) it was NOT as BAD as it is now. ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~) ~)


There is a big difference in the creative processes of the three regimes. Lynn Marie Latham could at least write coherent stories with a beginning, a middle or climax and a resolution. I think most viewers who objected to her writing objected to the stories moreso than how they were written. LML was a writer who could tell good stories. I also liked that she was willing to go out on a limb (vary from the norm) to create new and/or or fresh stories whether you liked them or not. Can't say the same for either MAB's or JFP's regimes. Shock & awe w/ lots of sexual hookups, short marriages, quickie divorces masquerading as good storylines are not entertaining and just do not fit Y&R. Business storylines got lost somewhere & are never as good as then. One thing is for certain & that is LML kept the ratings above 4.0 while her successors have not.


Suds, ITA!!! I want to add that LML increased ratings dramatically. I quickly glanced over the ratings during LML's tenure. Most weeks, her ratings were much higher than the previous year. Moreover, on at least 4 occasions, her ratings were over 700,000 higher than the previous year. Whether posters like LML are not, she was good for business.


Lynn Marie Latham was also the principal or Head writer for Knotts Landing for years. She is responsible for Ted Schackleford's career on both KL and Y&R. I remember Donna Mills, Karen, Gary & Valene Ewing almost as if they happened yesterday, so LML has created many memorable characters. Lynn Marie Latham was and is an established writer from primetime soaps; so I differ w/ the notion that she was & is not a good writer. I love her b/c she gave me Lily and Cane Ashby. That relationship alone is one that was created outside the box on so many levels. LML wrote romances and good business storylines. MAB & JFP write impulsive sexual hookups & sexcapades as an attempt to show romance which do not work very well or last very long. Business storylines, equality for women, and Love/romance in the afternoon are lost on these latter two female HWs.


Thanks for the historical background of LML. I remember Knots Landing. I agree that LML knows how to create characters; however, I enjoyed her use of established characters too. I remember that I left Y&R in the early 1990s, but when I returned in 2007, it was easy for me to catch up. Most of the characters that I remembered were still in GC. As you stated most of the women had corporate jobs. The young women were in college and some had jobs. There was romance. I think that another important factor was that LML created non-romantic relationships. Most characters had friends. The family connections were outstanding.

I will say it again-soap critics and boards are killing soaps. It amazing to me when people talk negatively about LML when in reality, she significantly elevated Y&R's ratings. Now, That is a fact. Soap critics thought Days deserved the Emmy for the no. 1 soap, but Days 18-49 women category has actually fallen below 500,000 on several occasions, and its fighting GH for the last spot. That does not make since to me.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby shalaydra75 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:57 am

Quote Deana4Villy:
Quote ChrissyK: The show is probably down because of the 3 million people who have TWC in LA, NY and Dallas that can't watch Y&R or any CBS show due to the dispute btw the 2 parties.


Excellent point. I don't know why it surprised me, but it did when I saw one of the star's post on Twitter that she couldn't get her own show until she got rid of TWC.


The real problem is that Y & R ratings from been between 4.2-4.8 since the spring of 2012. Actually, even with the fight between CBS and Dish, Y & R ratings this week is only down 51,000 from last year. Yes, the coveted 18-49 women's category is 124,000 lower than last year; however, if men and other women can watch, the women from 18-49 should be able to. The real bottom-line is that the 18-49 women category has not consistently hit the 1 million mark since Cane's death. Women of child bearing age are not going to watch a character who deliberately killed an unborn child. Most women between 18-49 are working or attending college, thus they will not watch as writers make fools out of women characters.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby MsSuperSuds » Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:25 pm

Good posts, Shalaydra! You make some good points. Perhaps I am blind or prejudiced; but I cannot see a great difference in the viewership now than before the cbs dustup w/ TWC.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention that MAB killed every good friendship and/or working relationship on Y&R & put everyoe into their own little pod, clique or corner of the world. Nobody mixes w/ or interacts w/ anyone outside that small circle which is a shame; b/c it kills the ensemble concept that BB so carefully developed over the years of production. JFP's attempts at friendships, relatioships & romances are falling just as flat as MAB's. There is no real chemistry between partners! And no time is given to the characters to develop any kind of relationships w/ each other.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby shalaydra75 » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:57 pm

ITA with your post. The cast segregation is appalling. For 4 years, I only watch episodes with the Winters and Lane and I do not feel that I missed anything.

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Re: YR40 Ratings same; Viewership Down

Postby Barbyboo » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:00 pm

Quote MsSuperSuds:
Quote Kelby:
Quote MsSuperSuds: If the rumors are true about Dylan being Nikki's long lost son just to attach him to a prominent family, I think this is going to be a huge mistake for Y&R to make. Sorassing children too quickly and shaking up the family trees has already caused enough grief and altered the history of the show drastically. Everybody in town does not have to related to each other or connected to some rich, prominent family to be a character of importance. Just write some good stories please! I want to see what this does for the ratings--if it is true.

Dylan is such a boar...they should just let Nikki play out ms story..no more shakes?
Your post is so on the money. I agree with you whole heartedly.


Oldtimers & hardcore Y&R fans are getting excited about this Dylan/Nikki hookup as mother & son; b/c it gives MTS a storyline & puts her on the frontburner again. BUT I agree with Nelson Branco. This storyline is not about Nikki at all. Once Dylan is established as Nikki's son, this is all about Dylan & his life & times in GC. Nikki is a vet who is being used to give the character of Dylan some credence and a reason to eat & usurp the frontburner of Y&R alive. JFP is going to see that this happens unless the fans do not respond in a positive manner to it.


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