jamilah wrote:Welcome back cdhg hope you will gain interest back soon. I know its hard because I don't watch everyday and when I do watch the show makes no sense. Its like Pratt changes the characters to fit his plot. Phyllis meeting a stranger in the woods and acting like he is her friend is so out of character. They refuse to have chadam scheming together yet for months we saw him do that with sage. Not sure why he wants to write chelsea as some perfect little wife who throws a tantrum every time she catches Adam in another lie...I think the daytime soap world is just crap and I watch 3 out of the 4 soaps and none of them have good quality writing, its not just y&r. Anyway hopefully November sweeps will get us interested in the show again.
Thanks, Jamilah. You made great points.
I watched the promo for the stuff this week and I felt like the things surrounding the reveal of Adam seemed anticlimactic. Maybe it will be seem more interesting if watching the whole thing unfold, if and/or when I choose to watch it. Again it seems like a proper build and beats are lacking. I also read the article regarding Chelsea learning about the Paragon Project stuff.
I know some want to see Chelsea get revenge on Adam due to his lies and I understand that, but I would say that he has not set out to hurt her with his lies. While I get tired of Adam being written as weakly as he has been and lying so much, I am tired of Chelsea being written like some pristine goody two shoes character so often. Her edge and darker side should not only come out when upset at Adam or feeling hurt because of him, which might be what happens in the days and weeks ahead. Anyways, she should not be written as someone whose problems get blamed on Adam or are a reaction to Adam. The show should not revolve around certain characters like Adam and others being the scapegoat, blame, or justification for various characters actions and problems. There are a certain few characters who are written that way too often, with others not having to really pay for anything.
Sometimes Chelsea will lash back at others on occasion briefly. If she is the one to spill the beans, I guess they feel the need to write her as some noble heroine and victim who is saving Connor, herself, and others from the big bad scary wolf, Adam. I don’t like seeing the piling on of Adam and it being the world vs. him again. I guess Billy fans, Villy fans, and some others who do not like Adam may like the upcoming stuff. They are overselling the sympathy part towards Chelsea. This writing is elementary and lame, IMO. I would like to see some evolvement and development regarding characters and stories instead of rinse, recycle, repeat regarding characters, stories, and results.
During the whole Chadam reunion, it has not felt to me like a real reunion. It seems certain beats are missed and things rushed as things move from one plot point to a next. I agree with you that characters are written to fit the plot points.
It is a shame that Chadam can not get a better story and get the basically the same dialogue over and over and rinse, recycle, repeat, stories. Chelsea went from not being too concerned about Gabe going up against Victor and his family to that being the ultimate no-no once she learned he was Adam. Chelsea is written as naïve and lacking smarts at times. Adam is being written as someone who cannot think up a well thought out scheme or plan or even act on it in a smart way and having weak motive for even going after Victor again and lacking the smart and proper focus for his family. He is being written more like a follower instead of a leader, IMO.
For Chadam to work, they do not need to be written as Adam the liar and victimizer and Chelsea the sweet victim. They do not need to be written as Adam the dark prince and Chelsea as Cinderella who is too good for him or provides a bright light for him. I thought the redemption story in 2012 worked fine for both at the time, and I think having both be grey or darker at times together would work fine, but not what we have been seeing for the past few months with Adam lying, Chelsea getting upset, him begging, and then them repeating that cycle. I think the writing has been lazy or just done in a way to bide the time and serve the plot point for whatever they want to write next. Chadam need a story at some point where Chelsea is more the focus with an issue, crisis, or problem and Adam is more in a supporting role. More focus needs to be given to her character, her past, etc. I don’t mean continues lies either lol. Balance, balance, balance. I think both characters can be written with a proper balance of the good and bad qualities that make each character appealing and interesting and play to the performers’ strengths.
I guess the Adam reveal stuff happens before November sweeps to allow for whatever big explosion stuff CP wants to set up for November sweeps and to set in place his stories, couples, etc. from that. Maybe it will take a future explosion story down the road for Chadam to get a better reunion lol. I say explosion stuff for November sweeps due to rumors a while back of a Newman ballroom explosion, but that could just be rumors. I would like to see Chadam get a real reunion and not a bunch of half baked short term ones and for them to actual get to scheme and be edgy together vs. either of them paired with someone else and getting that type of writing or even being written as a copycat off original Chadam. Maybe I will be surprised and something positive will come from all of this upcoming stuff, but I have my doubts.
So many beats could have been played more naturally due to the nature of the Delia accident, the secrets afterward, the Adam/Billy accident, etc. Instead it has become too much about other stuff and other plot points. It seems like Adam Newman is to Y&R like the Texas Longhorns are to college football. Certain teams consider the Texas Longhorns big rivals like on Y&R how it seems Adam is the main rival for Billy, Victoria, Nick, and at times Victor although for Victor it is mostly Jack. If Chloe was still on the show, Adam would probably be the main rival for her. Adam does need to be the main rival for so many characters, and Chelsea actually needs some rivals IMO and not just Adam when they are on the outs.
I am not expecting it, but as part of the fallout from the Adam reveal, I would actually like to see Adam, Chelsea, Jack, Marisa, Sage, and Ian face some temporary legal consequences for the concealing of Adam’s identity. I would like to see Billy face temporary consequences for the night of the car accident with Adam. I would like see Victor face temporary consequences for the Marco stuff. There are plenty of beats to be played, but I am not going to have high expectations.
Happy Birthday to MCE. I just wish Chadam was written better and their potential utilized more effectively with them together as a couple. The fan excitement has been there at times, but the writing has not capitalized on that enough. I think JH and MCE do well in scenes together and have often just tried to enjoy what I can from the scenes and think about the positive stuff from that. Yesterday, I did watch some Chadam stuff that I had missed in the last two weeks.