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Days and feminism

Postby Freida Kloppenheimer » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:42 am

Abby was strong, independent, and smart. I loved her feminist outing with Jordan a few months ago. Like seeing empowered women on a soap. But now, they have her chasing married men again. :( Am conflicted cause it makes for great TV, but I hate losing a strong woman character.

I was excited about Madison until they wrote in that stupid Ian character that controlled her. And at least Kate is free from doing Stefano's bidding, though I do love them wreaking havoc together as partners and equals. :-)

Marlena proved to be pretty independent after john pulled various acts of douchebaggery on various douchebag levels. Hope is, as always, awesome. Sami is in her 40s and a grandma with 4 kids that has a new husband every month (also awesome, lol). Hoping Jordan stays interesting and doesn't have some dark man in a dark past controlling her life, yuck to that. :0

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby daysforever » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:10 am

I support women who are strong, independent, and smart. But feminism for the sake of "feminism" is what. . . ? Look, women and men live in this world together, thank goodness. Let’s admire, support and love each other.

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby daysforever » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:13 am

I support women who are strong, independent, and smart. But feminism for the sake of “feminism” is what. . . ? Look, women and men live in this world together, thank goodness. Let’s admire, support and love each other.

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby Freida Kloppenheimer » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:19 am

Quote daysforever: I support women who are strong, independent, and smart. But feminism for the sake of “feminism” is what. . . ? Look, women and men live in this world together, thank goodness. Let’s admire, support and love each other.


Lol, your post makes no sense. Why do people get so bent out of shape over the word, "feminism?" It just means that a woman lives her life the way she wants to with the freedom she wants to. Hope is a feminist with or without Bo. Sami is married to someone new every month and she's still what I'd consider a feminist. How does feminism detract from the ideal that men and women can't coexist and love and support each other? Feminism celebrates the independence of women, it does not belittle and condemn men.

I like how days has been empowered women these days way more often than it has in the past. Feminism. Relax, dudes are great.

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby stjarna » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:15 pm

Quote Freida Kloppenheimer:
Quote daysforever: I support women who are strong, independent, and smart. But feminism for the sake of “feminism” is what. . . ? Look, women and men live in this world together, thank goodness. Let’s admire, support and love each other.


Lol, your post makes no sense. Why do people get so bent out of shape over the word, "feminism?" It just means that a woman lives her life the way she wants to with the freedom she wants to. Hope is a feminist with or without Bo. Sami is married to someone new every month and she's still what I'd consider a feminist. How does feminism detract from the ideal that men and women can't coexist and love and support each other? Feminism celebrates the independence of women, it does not belittle and condemn men.

I like how days has been empowered women these days way more often than it has in the past. Feminism. Relax, dudes are great.


the bolded! agree. :)

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby 2Wildroses » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:41 pm

I believe Sami is only thirty-six , maybe she turns thirty-seven this year. Sami has been on Days for twenty years.

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby fadingrose » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:06 am

Quote Freida Kloppenheimer: Abby was strong, independent, and smart. I loved her feminist outing with Jordan a few months ago. Like seeing empowered women on a soap. But now, they have her chasing married men again. :( Am conflicted cause it makes for great TV, but I hate losing a strong woman character.

I was excited about Madison until they wrote in that stupid Ian character that controlled her. And at least Kate is free from doing Stefano's bidding, though I do love them wreaking havoc together as partners and equals. :-)

Marlena proved to be pretty independent after john pulled various acts of douchebaggery on various douchebag levels. Hope is, as always, awesome. Sami is in her 40s and a grandma with 4 kids that has a new husband every month (also awesome, lol). Hoping Jordan stays interesting and doesn't have some dark man in a dark past controlling her life, yuck to that. :0

I, too, enjoy watching the strong, independent women--the "feminists"--on DOOL. I think there are several--Hope, Kate, Kristen, Marlena, even Madison at times.
However, as a member of the generation who started it all in the 1950's, I disagree that Sami fits that description. What's so "awesome" about having multiple ex-husbands and four kids whom she loves but seems to ignore a lot? Yes, she is self-centered and strong-willed--but so impulsive that she has almost always needed a man to bail her out of trouble that she has created. I am a Sami fan--but I doubt she's what "feminism" is all about, and I don't think Abby is a "feminist" either. She still lives at home, has a job she got because of the Horton connection, and acts like an immature teenager with unrealistic romantic "crushes."

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby dazgonby » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:28 am

Quote fadingrose:
Quote Freida Kloppenheimer: Abby was strong, independent, and smart. I loved her feminist outing with Jordan a few months ago. Like seeing empowered women on a soap. But now, they have her chasing married men again. :( Am conflicted cause it makes for great TV, but I hate losing a strong woman character.

I was excited about Madison until they wrote in that stupid Ian character that controlled her. And at least Kate is free from doing Stefano's bidding, though I do love them wreaking havoc together as partners and equals. :-)

Marlena proved to be pretty independent after john pulled various acts of douchebaggery on various douchebag levels. Hope is, as always, awesome. Sami is in her 40s and a grandma with 4 kids that has a new husband every month (also awesome, lol). Hoping Jordan stays interesting and doesn't have some dark man in a dark past controlling her life, yuck to that. :0

I, too, enjoy watching the strong, independent women--the "feminists"--on DOOL. I think there are several--Hope, Kate, Kristen, Marlena, even Madison at times.
However, as a member of the generation who started it all in the 1950's, I disagree that Sami fits that description. What's so "awesome" about having multiple ex-husbands and four kids whom she loves but seems to ignore a lot? Yes, she is self-centered and strong-willed--but so impulsive that she has almost always needed a man to bail her out of trouble that she has created. I am a Sami fan--but I doubt she's what "feminism" is all about, and I don't think Abby is a "feminist" either. She still lives at home, has a job she got because of the Horton connection, and acts like an immature teenager with unrealistic romantic "crushes."


Who in Salem has not had multiple marriages..I could be wrong but thinking that Sami has been married to only 3 guys.
Those you listed have certainly been married more than once.
Also as discussed many times that Sami ignores her kids...who on any soap...ANY SOAP... does not do this after they are babies...who???
Hope certainly does, the only time Kate doesn't is when she wants total control over her adult kids lives...and Marlena I think we will just say look how well Sami turned out.
And as for needing a man to bail Sami out of trouble she created...would that be when she saved Rafe's life and Ej had to go crawling back to Stefano...because of something Ej had done.
Or maybe the time when she wanted to help Gabi and got caught up with this whole thing with Kate and Gabi...and if Ej had kept out of it and did not have to know EVERYTHING then he would not have had to "save" her...we all know how well that turned out...for him.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion...but I for one will stick with the facts...yep, I am a Sami fan also so I don't feel the need to throw her under the bus just to make someone else look better.

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby Freida Kloppenheimer » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:11 am

Quote fadingrose:
Quote Freida Kloppenheimer: Abby was strong, independent, and smart. I loved her feminist outing with Jordan a few months ago. Like seeing empowered women on a soap. But now, they have her chasing married men again. :( Am conflicted cause it makes for great TV, but I hate losing a strong woman character.

I was excited about Madison until they wrote in that stupid Ian character that controlled her. And at least Kate is free from doing Stefano's bidding, though I do love them wreaking havoc together as partners and equals. :-)

Marlena proved to be pretty independent after john pulled various acts of douchebaggery on various douchebag levels. Hope is, as always, awesome. Sami is in her 40s and a grandma with 4 kids that has a new husband every month (also awesome, lol). Hoping Jordan stays interesting and doesn't have some dark man in a dark past controlling her life, yuck to that. :0

I, too, enjoy watching the strong, independent women--the "feminists"--on DOOL. I think there are several--Hope, Kate, Kristen, Marlena, even Madison at times.
However, as a member of the generation who started it all in the 1950's, I disagree that Sami fits that description. What's so "awesome" about having multiple ex-husbands and four kids whom she loves but seems to ignore a lot? Yes, she is self-centered and strong-willed--but so impulsive that she has almost always needed a man to bail her out of trouble that she has created. I am a Sami fan--but I doubt she's what "feminism" is all about, and I don't think Abby is a "feminist" either. She still lives at home, has a job she got because of the Horton connection, and acts like an immature teenager with unrealistic romantic "crushes."


Maybe you missed the episode where Jordan and Abby hung out and had a girl power talk. This was months ago, but it made an impression on me. Thought it was kind of cool. And Abby works, goes to college, and speaks her mind. Given that, I was conflicted that they wrote another "older guy" scandal for her, where she seduces another married man... but I'm not too broken up about it. It's good soap opera stuff, hehe.

As for Sami, she's been "the bad girl" on a soap for 20 years. She's going to have ridiculous things written. Whether morally "good" or "bad," she feels empowered enough to act on something she is passionate for, and no man or beast can stand in her way. Tangential plus: she has 4 kids and is a C level executive (lol, a stretch, but I applaud the ideal). And as for the men bailing her out, they all truly loved her because of her unique, independent (though self destructive) mindset. In all her relationships, she has always had equal say.

Samis fun to watch because she does whatever the eff she wants. She's TOTALLY a feminist, even if she's a totally reckless cuckoo. :)

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Re: Days and feminism

Postby Freida Kloppenheimer » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:14 am

Quote dazgonby:
Quote fadingrose: [quote]Quote Freida Kloppenheimer: Abby was strong, independent, and smart. I loved her feminist outing with Jordan a few months ago. Like seeing empowered women on a soap. But now, they have her chasing married men again. :( Am conflicted cause it makes for great TV, but I hate losing a strong woman character.

I was excited about Madison until they wrote in that stupid Ian character that controlled her. And at least Kate is free from doing Stefano's bidding, though I do love them wreaking havoc together as partners and equals. :-)

Marlena proved to be pretty independent after john pulled various acts of douchebaggery on various douchebag levels. Hope is, as always, awesome. Sami is in her 40s and a grandma with 4 kids that has a new husband every month (also awesome, lol). Hoping Jordan stays interesting and doesn't have some dark man in a dark past controlling her life, yuck to that. :0

I, too, enjoy watching the strong, independent women--the "feminists"--on DOOL. I think there are several--Hope, Kate, Kristen, Marlena, even Madison at times.
However, as a member of the generation who started it all in the 1950's, I disagree that Sami fits that description. What's so "awesome" about having multiple ex-husbands and four kids whom she loves but seems to ignore a lot? Yes, she is self-centered and strong-willed--but so impulsive that she has almost always needed a man to bail her out of trouble that she has created. I am a Sami fan--but I doubt she's what "feminism" is all about, and I don't think Abby is a "feminist" either. She still lives at home, has a job she got because of the Horton connection, and acts like an immature teenager with unrealistic romantic "crushes."


Who in Salem has not had multiple marriages..I could be wrong but thinking that Sami has been married to only 3 guys.
Those you listed have certainly been married more than once.
Also as discussed many times that Sami ignores her kids...who on any soap...ANY SOAP... does not do this after they are babies...who???
Hope certainly does, the only time Kate doesn't is when she wants total control over her adult kids lives...and Marlena I think we will just say look how well Sami turned out.
And as for needing a man to bail Sami out of trouble she created...would that be when she saved Rafe's life and Ej had to go crawling back to Stefano...because of something Ej had done.
Or maybe the time when she wanted to help Gabi and got caught up with this whole thing with Kate and Gabi...and if Ej had kept out of it and did not have to know EVERYTHING then he would not have had to "save" her...we all know how well that turned out...for him.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion...but I for one will stick with the facts...yep, I am a Sami fan also so I don't feel the need to throw her under the bus just to make someone else look better.[/

I TOTALLY agree with this post. Well said


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