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    Which End is Up?

    Thursday, May 28 2009
    Holly and Ethan both visit Robin, Claudia catches Michael up on some things, Luke ponders his mortality and fatherhood, and Jax and Carly come to an understanding.

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    Posted by Meglin033 at Friday, May 29 2009 06:07 AM

    I really don't want Ethan to be Luke's son and I would prefer him to be Robert's. I don't remember Holly being this much of a trouble maker. Now would be a great time to bring Robert and Anna back for a visit.

    Posted by Ringleader at Friday, May 29 2009 06:48 AM

    As far as why Jason would let Michael live with him when he won't let his own son (Jake) do the same, I think it goes back to something AZ said to Jason when AZ was still in the looney bin. Jason went to see AZ and somehow the talk of kids came up (this was still when Sonny was in charge of his organization). AZ said that, as the head of the organization, Sonny's kids were off limits (the mob "code" or whatever), but Jason's kids would be fair game and all the people that Jason had gone after would have a field day trying to take his kids out to get revenge on Jason. Jason didn't say anything at the time, but we (the viewers) could tell that AZ's words made him very concerned about the truth about Jake coming out.

    NOW, before any of you say it I will say it, THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. It didn't make sense to me then and it doesn't now. I thought women and children are supposed to be off limits no matter what. And, even if that was true, when Jason became the head of the organization, wouldn't the same protection that Sonny's kids enjoyed when he was in charge then fall to Jason's kids? It confused me then and it still does. My only point for bringing it up is to remind people that's what was said at the time. I think that's the way they could explain it if they wanted to have Michael live with Jason. I don't think they'll do that anyway, but it wouldn't be as completely out of character as some posters have suggested.

    My question for all the Claudia haters out there who want her to "get what's coming to her" for arranging the shooting that put Micheale in the coma is, did you want Sonny to get what's coming to him when he shot Carly in the head by accident? And did you want Michael to get what's coing to him for shooting Kate by accident? If we just stick to this incident, what about Johnny? He ordered the hit and is just as much to blame as Claudia is for what happened to Michael, but no one here is calling for his head. Or what about Jerry Jacks? He knew about the hit - he even supplied the gun to Ian Devlin - and could have stopped it, but I don't see any of you here blaming him. And then there's the whole Metrocourt hostage crisis, shooting Robin for no reason, etc., that he did and got away with and many of you want to see him back on the show. You talk about Claudia's nerve, but what about Jerry's? He's been out there every day walking among and socializing with the very people he terrorized (and even shot).

    Michael getting shot was an accident that Claudia and Johnny have truly regretted from the moment it happened (not sure about Jerry's remorse, as he is, at best, a borderline sociopath after all!). Yes, Claudia's actions since the shooting haven't been exaclty admirable, but that's not really what her character is about. She's not often admirable or noble or subtle or selfless (every once in a while we see one of these traits, but not often) or any of those things you want her to be. Claudia IS, however, a survivor who will do whatever she has to do to make sure she survives in the mob environment. And THAT is what she's doing right now.

    Many of you write about how inconsistent you think the writers are with characters, but then when they stay consistent with someone like Claudia, you complain that they don't flip her character 180 degrees and have her suddenly confess what she did to Sonny. You can't have it both ways.

    And let's face it, she's never had very good judgment, instincts or role models for learning how to be a decent human being or do the "right" thing. When she was 16, she slept with Trevor (double ick factor there) thinking her father would be mad at HIM and kick HIM out of the family business. That didn't work out so well, did it? But despite everything in her screwed up upbrining, she still manages, every once in a while, to show a glimmer of humanity and that's what keeps me rooting for her.

    Contrast that with Jerry Jacks. While I agree that he is entertaining to watch and made the show fun, I don't get the sense that he feels the slightest bit of remorse for anything he's done in the past. So I wouldn't mind seeing Jerry get what's coming to him. What I can't understand is how so many of you who hate Claudia also want Jerry back on the show. Jerry has done just as many, if not more hateful things as Claudia has done yet you scorn her and root for him. Can any of you explain to me why Jerry's bad actions and lack of remorse are okay and Claudia's are not?

    Posted by word at Friday, May 29 2009 06:58 AM

    just a few words here. all are really comen down hard on claudia but if the suitation were reversed wouldn't you be tryen to save your butt. i agree she needs to be scared to being almost breathless. she did put the wheels in motion for michale being where he was. wether or not that's gonna score points i have no idea but i see her point.
    now holly needs to make up her mind. if the truth be known than spill it girl. enough of the whose your daddy. we have that w/ric and sonny.
    i too do not like the way oliva dresses. she doesn't dress very professional. too much cleavage for her type of work.
    she's supposed to be working in a posh upscaled hotel not motel 8. i find it not attractive. now kate always looks good. and they're starten to fix up lulu. maybe they can do something with claudia. maybe a different color????
    i too have fallen somewhat out of love with g.h. it's sad as i've been a fan for yrs and yrs. it's the story lines and all. they drag them out too long. where's all the action at??? i used to tape it everyday then my vcr went so i was gonna dvr it and i just watch it on soap net. and if i don't see it i don't see it. i do read the updates everyday but stuff is missing. i miss the good ole g.h. i'm getten back into o.l.t.l. but luke is always gonna be my favorite drunk or not. and i agree where's that fiesty tracy. i love the quartermanes especially when they're all together and talken at once. what ever happend to alan? i so enjoyed the scenes w/him and tracy. it would be a good time for him to show up now w/everything that's goin on. well i've rattled on enough

    Posted by ghfanagain at Friday, May 29 2009 08:29 AM

    ringleader - I can't speak for others but the reason I hate Claw is because she is phony. Jerry and even Helena do bad things but never pretend to be something they are not. Yes, Jerry walks amoung and associates with the ones he terrerized but he does not pretend to show concern for them. Claw on the other hand has situated herself in the midst of Michael's family, pretends concern for him, accompanied by phony tears, all the while for her own personal gain. She does not have the class to "lay low" and wait, or to give the family time to grieve or worry. She has to be right "in their face" trying to find out what they or he know. She is repulsive and has no redeeming qualities at all. For me Jax is no better. He is keeping Claw's secret for his own personal gain all the while "pretending" to act in Michael's best interest. Evil I can deal with, accidents as well, but not hypocrisy.

    Posted by ghfanagain at Friday, May 29 2009 08:40 AM

    Also, I believe it is the writers fault that so many fans hate Claw. They made the character unlikable, then instead of cutting their losses and letting her go at the end of her first year, they tried to "fix" her, hoping to cash in on former fans of the original Sonny/Carly. SKate had a hugh following, and the writers destroyed that in order to push the re-do of MB/SJB. IMHO Claw would have been much more likable if they had let her relationship with Ric develope (they had great chemistry) and kept her away from Michael's immediate family.

    Posted by DetroitGHer at Friday, May 29 2009 09:13 AM

    Ringleader, I agree with you about Claudia and the fact that so many others have been "forgiven" for their bad choices that caused injury to others. As far as Jerry and Helena they do things on purpose to cause injury & harm to others. Claudia put a hit on a rival mob boss and Michael was shot by accident. Should she pay a price, yes. Should be tarred and feathered, no. Anyway about the Y&R posts I have to say that I watch that show and post there as well. The 2 shows are different but each are good. If you run thru the posts you will see a lot of back & forth between the posters and a lot of it isn't even show related so that jumbs the numbers up.
    Back to GH. I am thinking that they are going to have Ethan be Lukes son because I believe they are going to let Lucky and Liz go, JMO.
    ***Spoiler Alert****
    I read on another site that Carly gets mad because of the close relationship Michael developes with Claudia and there is a confrontation between the two women and it will leave one childless. I hope that it is Claudia and not Carly. Only because I would like to see her and Jax have their baby.

    Posted by WheresAllTheLove at Friday, May 29 2009 09:14 AM

    This show blows.

    What was the point of Holly's return? Luke is a dumbass, just like his son now.

    And Jason? For the past 10 years he has solved every crime in PC and now he has to hire Sam the PI to track people down for him? Seriously? I know its a plot point to put Jason and Sam in scenes together but it makes him look stupider then he already is. I do have to laugh though because Sam being an expert at finding cheating spouses is hilarious.

    Claudia just needs to die already.

    Posted by littleone68 at Friday, May 29 2009 09:57 AM

    I think the reason Jason went to ask for sam's help is to help her with her new business and to give him more free time to spend with michael. Also, I think that Jason us starting to trust Sam again. I like the way the two of them are starting to interact again.

    Posted by Ringleader at Friday, May 29 2009 10:14 AM

    ghfanagain - see, I don't think Claudia is phony. I think her concern for Michael and her feelings for Sonny are absolutely real. As for situating herself in the middle of Michael's family, it was her father that arranged the wedding to Sonny, not Claudia. And please don't say that she could have said no - because we all know that was not an option. Sure she's a manipulator and is trying to work this situation to her advantage, but she's never made a secret of wanting to be involved in the family business so why shouldn't she try to make that happen.

    I also think Claudia does have some redeeming qualities. Unlike Jerry, she actually felt guilty for Micheal getting caught in the crossfire. She apologized to him over and over again while he was in the coma. Jerry, on the other hand, intended to shoot Robin and I doubt he feels the slightest bit bad for it. And considering her HIV status, he could have hurt many, many more people by shooting Robin that day. Also, if it came down to it, I think Claudia would take the full blame for Michaels shooting and protect Johnny. Unlike Jerry who let Jax take a federal conviction for something Jerry did to save his own butt. If any of them (Claudia, Helena or Jerry) have redeeming qualities, it's Claudia. The other two just plain don't have anything even remotely resembling a conscience.

    But I DO AGREE with you that she should lay low and not be in everyone's face all the time. I wanted to smack her myself during the hospital waiting room scenes. But again, subtlty and tact are not her strong suits. As much as it isn't what I thought was appropriate in the situation, I like her chutzpah and the fact that, despite many, many offers from Johnny to get her out of the country and into hiding, she hasn't run away from what she did. She's stuck around and is bound to face some consequences at some point. But I bet Michael forgives her for it because it was an accident - just like Kate forgave him - and it is a very real part of the mob lifestyle, like it or not.

    As far as the whole thing with SKate versus Sonny/original Carly (MB/SJB) re-do, again I appear to be in the minority because I absolutely hated Sonny with Kate. When they were together, he wasn't the Sonny that we (well, I) fell in love with all those years ago. Kate always wanted to change him into something he wasn't and didn't want to be - just like Brenda used to do. IMO Sonny is at his best with a woman who understands him, can accept his world and can hold their own with him - women like Lily, Carly or even Claudia or Olivia.

    And sorry, but Jerry wasn't a phony? Okay maybe he didn't pretend to care about all the people he had held hostage, but he did pretend to care about Carly and he held her hostage. And what about dating Alexis while trying to get her daughter into bed. Or pretending to Jax that he had gone legit while at the same time trying to use Jax's business to launder Ian Devlin's drug money through it - and that after Jax pled guilty to a racketeering charge to save Jerry and their dad from jail. If the authorities had caught on to that (I know, that's a stretch in PC), Jax would have been sent to prison for things Jerry did. If that's not phony, I don't know what is. Jerry doesn't have to pretend to care about people -- just walking around and interacting with people you held hostage or even shot pretending like you never did anything wrong to them is completely phony if you ask me. And lets not forget that before the hit went down, Jerry strolled into Carly's house and talked to her and Michael several times like he was cool uncle Jerry all the while knowing that a hit on Michael's father was in the works. How is that not phony?

    Posted by Ringleader at Friday, May 29 2009 10:36 AM

    WheresAllTheLove - the point of Holly's return was to introduce a new Spencer kid. I thought that was pretty obvious. I never got the impression that Emma Samms was coming back for good, so I'm not sure what your gripe with that is.

    And as far as Jason solving every crime in PC for the last 10 years - that's not even close to being true no matter how many times people write it. He didn't figure out who killed Emily, for example. And even for those things he did solve he almost always had help. Spinelli, Cody, etc., so why is it a problem for him to ask Sam for help? Also, previously he would get help from people in Sonny's organization, but how's he supposed to use them to track down one of their own (Fredo)? He needs an outsider so no one tips Fredo or Claudia off that they're looking for him.

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