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    Try Not To Scream.

    Thursday, October 04 2012
    Todd promises to get revenge for Starr, Johnny tells Carly that he loves Connie, and Tea and John make a startling discovery.

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    Posted by Monkey83 at Thursday, October 04 2012 10:13 PM

    I should've specified Straight...I wasn't talking about GH... I was talking about Glee. Stupid stupid stupid show lol.

    Posted by lovelymarlena at Thursday, October 04 2012 10:15 PM

    Scrimmage said:

    Question: How do we know that this ISN'T Connie finally recovering from the dual traumas of her rape and getting shot on her previous wedding day?

    Because IMHO Scrimmage Connie is Bat S#%$ crazy. She's dreaming up schemes of blackmailing my sweet Johnny boy into marrying her and almost sucked Milo's face off and her eyes are kind twitchy when anyone catches her up short and stops her in her tracks.

    Posted by Scrimmage at Thursday, October 04 2012 10:37 PM

    I also don't think there is any unintentional confusion about their names. Connie is, and has always been Connie, older, tougher, and more cynical now, but still the same person. Kate is Kate, a made up person who has only been around for 25 years. Everything about her is a fabrication; her name, her background, and even some of her memories. I think the only real confusion is a tendency to think of Connie as the alternate personality only because we met Kate first. I remember early on, Oblivia never bought “Kate Howard” as a real person for one second, which in retrospect, seemed to infuriate her cousin disproportionately. I remember how desperate she was to keep up the illusion of “Kate.”

    Of course, my opinion is skewed because I find Connie far more interesting, and a lot more fun than Kate ever was, but I also think that Kate being the alter is the most obvious and the most logical choice. Even in these deep psychological waters, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. It sure makes for a fascinating discussion though.

    Frankly, I'll bet even the writers of the show and Kelly Sullivan herself aren't sure if Connie is the alter, or if Kate is, and they have probably changed their minds a couple of times along the way too.

    Posted by Dubbs at Thursday, October 04 2012 10:38 PM

    FOOT @ mama - I went to the GA board and only mayzo, soapfan and rainey are there and no one is talking. I promised that I would check in. I'll be back after midnight, but they're waiting for me to get back so we can do shots. It's not pretty. Yeah, Tequila! And no. I'm still sober. More or less.

    Posted by TipsyTess at Thursday, October 04 2012 10:55 PM

    Hi everyone lots to read..great comments by all.
    Midas, awesome poem you posted on the first page.
    I did laugh at Tracy even though it was so lame as there was no blood on her.
    Someone noted yesterday about Carly's dress. Yeah having a better look at it today it did not suit her.

    OT: Cynic..I still say "cool"
    and as for the english, I must admit at times I miss a letter or 2 when typing as I don't click down on the letters hard enough and sometimes I don't proof read before I send..sorry week there will be 2 that get voted out.

    Posted by TipsyTess at Thursday, October 04 2012 10:57 PM

    Could there be a 3rd person not just Kate and Connie but another one. The writers came from OLTL and the 2 that had this both had more then 2 people.

    Posted by Scrimmage at Thursday, October 04 2012 10:59 PM

    Monkey83 wrote: “..but seriously?!? An ENTIRE episode built around couples breaking up and/or having serious issues?? I don't want to watch a show and cry the whole time.”

    Turn that frown upside down, Monkey, and focus on the pure and simple joy of the budding romance that is SpinEllie! Not only that, but Michael and Snarrl are getting closer (when she's not busy making threats against the wrong person), Lulu and Dante are trying to figure out how to make a baby (they even bought a book to study for the pregnancy test), Alexis and Shawn are together now (when she's not busy with divorces, annulments, custody and visitation rights, and verifying fake marriage licenses), and so are Molly and TJ (although since they've been nowhere to be seen lately, I hope that they aren't off somewhere having sex). But don't let a thing like that darken your mood! Love is in the air!

    Posted by StraightTalker at Thursday, October 04 2012 11:00 PM

    Scrimmage- I like your outline and would agree with it if it weren’t for a couple things. The alter, regardless if you believe it was Kate or Connie, was present before Kate assumed her new life in the fashion industry. The evidence of this was revealed during Kate’s therapy session with Ewin when she relived the rape. If Kate was indeed the alter and did not emerged until that date you proposed, then there wouldn’t be any need for Kate to relive and suffer through that event. Moreover, being the alleged alter, Kate wouldn’t have been as emotionally distraught as she was when she retrieved those memories. The emotional reactivity is one of the big differences that exist between Kate and Connie. Connie is able to view the rape in a more objective and some what off handed manner without the associated emotions that a typical rape victim would exhibit. The opposite is true when you compare Kate’s reaction to the knowledge that she was rape and had a child as a result. Her reaction is more raw and visceral, which wouldn’t make sense if she was truly the alter and was not developed until the new life of Kate the fashion icon started.

    In terms of the writers not having the time or the inclination to stay true to the clinical integrity of DID, you may be right in some aspects. The only thing that I would say in response to that is these are the same writers who create the same DID s/l on OLTL. The concept of DID that they crafted on the show with both Jessica and Vikki were simple and not as convoluted as what they have done with Kate and Connie. They may have went for what they believe to be the more complicated version of DID as they do in everything else, and as we have seen, when they ignore the simple and obvious route for the more complex and less thought out one, we end up with a hot mess on our hands just like we have now.

    Posted by ilsalund at Thursday, October 04 2012 11:03 PM

    to cbru:

    "enad-I have a question-how do you figure Olivia can have Connie comitted? They are not related and she is obviously not a doctor..."

    IMO, Connie doesn't exist but Kate does and Olivia and Kate are cousins and to the best of my knowledge and memory, Olivia is legally Kate's closest family member.

    However, to follow up on someone's else post about the legality of Connie and Johnny's marriage, I also agree that it has to be null and void since Connie Falconeri is legally Kate Howard but the marriage license was signed by Connie, who doesn't legally exist. Alexis, what's up?!

    On another topic, NOW John realizes that Susan Moore is dead? He saw Tea's file on her the last time he visited Tea and I thought he would have figured out the truth then. Oops!

    Posted by StraightTalker at Thursday, October 04 2012 11:07 PM

    Scrimmage- You said that Connie is still ole Connie, all be it a tougher and more cynical version of her former self. I would have to disagree with that assessment. This Connie is crazy, spiteful, vindictive, malicious and just plum crazy. Not even her cousin Olivia is able to recognize any resemblance of the cousin she use to know. This contrast in the two versions of Connie is pathological rather than situational.

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