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    Fathers and Sons

    Started by ghfanfare at 2014/02/08 11:46AM
    Latest post: 2014/02/13 07:06PM, Views: 1593, Replies: 59
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    #51   2014/02/13 11:55AM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    strawberrybu...
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    Quote JaneDoe:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote JaneDoe:
    Quote ransomha:

    Actually it wasn't clear at all.

    What I got from it was, you don't find Sonny entertaining.

    He's been on the show over 20 years so i'd guess he must be a popular character.

    To each their own.

    The subject at hand was father's and sons.
    I don't see Sonny anything like Mike.
    Sonny had no respect for Mike so lived his life nothing like Mike.

    Julian had no respect for his father yet follows in his footsteps.

    That's odd, TO ME.


    I don't think I've ever once said that Sonny wasn't popular, I just happen to not like him. He's grown stale IMO and if the opinions on this board are any indication of the viewers of GH.... I think it's safe to say I'm not alone in my opinion. I realize that it does not mean that he has no fans or that he's no longer a major character on the GH canvas, quite the contrary. I wish we could see some change and character growth for him instead of the same old, barware throwing, revolving "love of my life" women, and stupid - impulsive decision making. All characters are redeemable, my love/hate for a character is never constant. Until I see something different for Sonny, my bashing hatred will go on and on I presume.

    As far as Julian being like his father.... I think yesterday's show was an indication he's trying to break from the mold. I'm looking forward to seeing the direction he goes.


    It's true, there are 3 or 4 posters that do have the exact same likes and dislikes of all your posts.
    If you don't like Sonny, of course they don't him either.


    And as I said, "To each their own".


    Wow, I had no idea I had that kind of influence over my fellow posters. BTW, I think there are a LOT more than 3 or 4 poster here who do not like Sonny.


    Make that at least 5,because I can't stand him.

    #52   2014/02/13 12:18PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    ransomha
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    Quote Howie79: IMO, Sonny is just like the man that raised him, Deke. He puts his own needs and desires first. And when he doesn't get his way and he throws one of this hissy fits, temper tantrums or barware and goes off his meds, it may not be physical abuse, but it is mental/emotional abuse.

    Also, I feel very insulted that it is being insinuated that because I have been come increasingly indifferent to Sonny over the years, my thoughts and feelings are the projection of another poster.

    I happen to be a lawyer who specializes in insurance law. I received a full scholarhip to Notre Dame University, where I graduated Summa Cum Laude, in 3 years BTW. I then moved on to receive a Masters Degree from Loyola University, again Summa Cum Laude. I then proceeded to a juris doctorate at Northwestern University, where I received a doctoral disseration award from State Farm Insurance and graduated with my J.D. Magna Cum Laude. I am also a wife and a mother. I feel that I am an intelligent, independent and strong woman and that I am quite able to think and speak for myself regarding characters on a TV show, thank you very much.


    Deke threw a five year old in a locked closet.
    Sonny is NOTHING like that.

    OT: I'm the queen of England. Graduate of Oxford University. Rhode scholar.
    Won 10 academy awards and swam the pacific ocean.

    #53   2014/02/13 12:26PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    oltllover
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    Quote ransomha:
    Quote Howie79: IMO, Sonny is just like the man that raised him, Deke. He puts his own needs and desires first. And when he doesn't get his way and he throws one of this hissy fits, temper tantrums or barware and goes off his meds, it may not be physical abuse, but it is mental/emotional abuse.

    Also, I feel very insulted that it is being insinuated that because I have been come increasingly indifferent to Sonny over the years, my thoughts and feelings are the projection of another poster.

    I happen to be a lawyer who specializes in insurance law. I received a full scholarhip to Notre Dame University, where I graduated Summa Cum Laude, in 3 years BTW. I then moved on to receive a Masters Degree from Loyola University, again Summa Cum Laude. I then proceeded to a juris doctorate at Northwestern University, where I received a doctoral disseration award from State Farm Insurance and graduated with my J.D. Magna Cum Laude. I am also a wife and a mother. I feel that I am an intelligent, independent and strong woman and that I am quite able to think and speak for myself regarding characters on a TV show, thank you very much.


    Deke threw a five year old in a locked closet.
    Sonny is NOTHING like that.

    OT: I'm the queen of England. Graduate of Oxford University. Rhode scholar.
    Won 10 academy awards and swam the pacific ocean.

    Now who is being nasty to posters. hmmm

    #54   2014/02/13 12:30PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    ransomha
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    Quote oltllover:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote Howie79: IMO, Sonny is just like the man that raised him, Deke. He puts his own needs and desires first. And when he doesn't get his way and he throws one of this hissy fits, temper tantrums or barware and goes off his meds, it may not be physical abuse, but it is mental/emotional abuse.

    Also, I feel very insulted that it is being insinuated that because I have been come increasingly indifferent to Sonny over the years, my thoughts and feelings are the projection of another poster.

    I happen to be a lawyer who specializes in insurance law. I received a full scholarhip to Notre Dame University, where I graduated Summa Cum Laude, in 3 years BTW. I then moved on to receive a Masters Degree from Loyola University, again Summa Cum Laude. I then proceeded to a juris doctorate at Northwestern University, where I received a doctoral disseration award from State Farm Insurance and graduated with my J.D. Magna Cum Laude. I am also a wife and a mother. I feel that I am an intelligent, independent and strong woman and that I am quite able to think and speak for myself regarding characters on a TV show, thank you very much.


    Deke threw a five year old in a locked closet.
    Sonny is NOTHING like that.

    OT: I'm the queen of England. Graduate of Oxford University. Rhode scholar.
    Won 10 academy awards and swam the pacific ocean.

    Now who is being nasty to posters. hmmm


    OT: That was suppose to be FUNNY!

    On the internet, we are all 5'6 110 pounds and 27 year old beauty queens.

    It's called humor......

    But, I guess it's best to stick to the show .


    i thought that poster was being funny too.

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    #55   2014/02/13 12:34PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    crazydaisy
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    Quote ransomha:
    Quote oltllover:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote Howie79: IMO, Sonny is just like the man that raised him, Deke. He puts his own needs and desires first. And when he doesn't get his way and he throws one of this hissy fits, temper tantrums or barware and goes off his meds, it may not be physical abuse, but it is mental/emotional abuse.

    Also, I feel very insulted that it is being insinuated that because I have been come increasingly indifferent to Sonny over the years, my thoughts and feelings are the projection of another poster.

    I happen to be a lawyer who specializes in insurance law. I received a full scholarhip to Notre Dame University, where I graduated Summa Cum Laude, in 3 years BTW. I then moved on to receive a Masters Degree from Loyola University, again Summa Cum Laude. I then proceeded to a juris doctorate at Northwestern University, where I received a doctoral disseration award from State Farm Insurance and graduated with my J.D. Magna Cum Laude. I am also a wife and a mother. I feel that I am an intelligent, independent and strong woman and that I am quite able to think and speak for myself regarding characters on a TV show, thank you very much.


    Deke threw a five year old in a locked closet.
    Sonny is NOTHING like that.

    OT: I'm the queen of England. Graduate of Oxford University. Rhode scholar.
    Won 10 academy awards and swam the pacific ocean.

    Now who is being nasty to posters. hmmm


    OT: That was suppose to be FUNNY!

    On the internet, we are all 5'6 110 pounds and 27 year old beauty queens.

    It's called humor......


    Not so humorous when you're basically saying that someone else's words are crap. Maybe you've felt the need to misrepresent yourself on this board, but I never have and I'm sure most other posters likewise have not.

    #56   2014/02/13 12:35PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    oltllover
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    Quote ransomha:
    Quote oltllover:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote Howie79: IMO, Sonny is just like the man that raised him, Deke. He puts his own needs and desires first. And when he doesn't get his way and he throws one of this hissy fits, temper tantrums or barware and goes off his meds, it may not be physical abuse, but it is mental/emotional abuse.

    Also, I feel very insulted that it is being insinuated that because I have been come increasingly indifferent to Sonny over the years, my thoughts and feelings are the projection of another poster.

    I happen to be a lawyer who specializes in insurance law. I received a full scholarhip to Notre Dame University, where I graduated Summa Cum Laude, in 3 years BTW. I then moved on to receive a Masters Degree from Loyola University, again Summa Cum Laude. I then proceeded to a juris doctorate at Northwestern University, where I received a doctoral disseration award from State Farm Insurance and graduated with my J.D. Magna Cum Laude. I am also a wife and a mother. I feel that I am an intelligent, independent and strong woman and that I am quite able to think and speak for myself regarding characters on a TV show, thank you very much.


    Deke threw a five year old in a locked closet.
    Sonny is NOTHING like that.

    OT: I'm the queen of England. Graduate of Oxford University. Rhode scholar.
    Won 10 academy awards and swam the pacific ocean.

    Now who is being nasty to posters. hmmm


    OT: That was suppose to be FUNNY!

    On the internet, we are all 5'6 110 pounds and 27 year old beauty queens.

    It's called humor......


    sounds a lot more like mocking but I will let Howie79 speak for themself but to me since Howie79 listed their REAL accomplishments your response seems petty.

    #57   2014/02/13 12:39PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    ransomha
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    Quote crazydaisy:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote oltllover:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote Howie79: IMO, Sonny is just like the man that raised him, Deke. He puts his own needs and desires first. And when he doesn't get his way and he throws one of this hissy fits, temper tantrums or barware and goes off his meds, it may not be physical abuse, but it is mental/emotional abuse.

    Also, I feel very insulted that it is being insinuated that because I have been come increasingly indifferent to Sonny over the years, my thoughts and feelings are the projection of another poster.

    I happen to be a lawyer who specializes in insurance law. I received a full scholarhip to Notre Dame University, where I graduated Summa Cum Laude, in 3 years BTW. I then moved on to receive a Masters Degree from Loyola University, again Summa Cum Laude. I then proceeded to a juris doctorate at Northwestern University, where I received a doctoral disseration award from State Farm Insurance and graduated with my J.D. Magna Cum Laude. I am also a wife and a mother. I feel that I am an intelligent, independent and strong woman and that I am quite able to think and speak for myself regarding characters on a TV show, thank you very much.


    Deke threw a five year old in a locked closet.
    Sonny is NOTHING like that.

    OT: I'm the queen of England. Graduate of Oxford University. Rhode scholar.
    Won 10 academy awards and swam the pacific ocean.

    Now who is being nasty to posters. hmmm


    OT: That was suppose to be FUNNY!

    On the internet, we are all 5'6 110 pounds and 27 year old beauty queens.

    It's called humor......


    Not so humorous when you're basically saying that someone else's words are crap. Maybe you've felt the need to misrepresent yourself on this board, but I never have and I'm sure most other posters likewise have not.


    OT" What does your personal attack on me have to do with the topic of fathers and sons?

    I don't post my personal information on the internet.

    #58   2014/02/13 12:42PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    ransomha
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    Quote oltllover:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote oltllover:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote Howie79: IMO, Sonny is just like the man that raised him, Deke. He puts his own needs and desires first. And when he doesn't get his way and he throws one of this hissy fits, temper tantrums or barware and goes off his meds, it may not be physical abuse, but it is mental/emotional abuse.

    Also, I feel very insulted that it is being insinuated that because I have been come increasingly indifferent to Sonny over the years, my thoughts and feelings are the projection of another poster.

    I happen to be a lawyer who specializes in insurance law. I received a full scholarhip to Notre Dame University, where I graduated Summa Cum Laude, in 3 years BTW. I then moved on to receive a Masters Degree from Loyola University, again Summa Cum Laude. I then proceeded to a juris doctorate at Northwestern University, where I received a doctoral disseration award from State Farm Insurance and graduated with my J.D. Magna Cum Laude. I am also a wife and a mother. I feel that I am an intelligent, independent and strong woman and that I am quite able to think and speak for myself regarding characters on a TV show, thank you very much.


    Deke threw a five year old in a locked closet.
    Sonny is NOTHING like that.

    OT: I'm the queen of England. Graduate of Oxford University. Rhode scholar.
    Won 10 academy awards and swam the pacific ocean.

    Now who is being nasty to posters. hmmm


    OT: That was suppose to be FUNNY!

    On the internet, we are all 5'6 110 pounds and 27 year old beauty queens.

    It's called humor......


    sounds a lot more like mocking but I will let Howie79 speak for themself but to me since Howie79 listed their REAL accomplishments your response seems petty.


    OT: As a little heads up, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

    And this board is about GENERAL HOSPITAL....

    You calling me "petty" is petty....hahah

    #59   2014/02/13 12:50PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    ransomha
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    12-13-


    Looks like Julian is really trying with Lucas.
    As I perviously posted, maybe Julian should give up his father's expatiation's and just stay a newspaper man and father to his new found family.

    I really would suite him better.

    #60   2014/02/13 07:06PM
    Re: Fathers and Sons
    KillerQueen
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    Quote ransomha:
    Quote oltllover:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote JaneDoe:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote JaneDoe:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote JaneDoe: I have witnessed MANY posters on this board try to excuse Sonny's lifestyle choices because of his childhood. Other characters, as well as posters have blamed his upbringing and Deke's abuse for him turning to the mob and violence. I can see why that happened as well and I totally buy into the fact that Sonny chose his life because he was beaten down as a kid. VERY believable. What I don't understand and can't support is his continued lifestyle choice and the mistakes he continuously makes that cost his children and loved ones the most. He's purely selfish now.

    Now here we have Julian who was raised by a ruthless mobster and in turn has become a ruthless mobster because that's ALL HE KNOWS. Is that an excuse, not really because he's an adult and he could have decided on a different path. We now have him faced with JUST learning he has a gay son. His father taught him that being gay was not the way to live. He taught him to look down on people who are gay. Up until this point, his only experience with anyone who is gay is a distant cousin who his father discouraged contact with. It's not until NOW that he's had to face the situation head on and his natural instinct was to say what his father taught him. Of COURSE he's automatically branded by some as ignorant and horrible for his declarations and I'll SAY IT RIGHT NOW.... IF Julian continues to treat Lucas like a pariah because he's guy, I will not be able to defend him. I think yesterday's conversation with Alexis was VERY telling. If he truly felt the way his father did and had NO desire to have a GAY son, he would have walked away and not given it another thought, but he didn't do that. He sought out advise from another parent instead. He wants to figure this out. He LOVES his son and needs help dealing with a lifetime of thinking in a way he was taught, but is unacceptable.

    Time will tell.


    Sonny's choice to join the mob was a young kids need to survive.
    As a mob boss, he can't put in a two week notice and walk away.
    Way too far along for that.
    He's made a lifelong commitment whether he likes it or nor.

    Julian on the other hand has been out of the business for over 20 years.
    Trying to take Sonny's territory is now doing the thing you find fault for Sonny doing.

    Julian doesn't have to live his life with a bullseye on Sam, Danny and Lucas's head.


    I don't find fault with Sonny being a mobster, I've loved my fair share of mobsters on GH including Sonny at one time. His repeated mistakes (stupidity) and his selfishness is what leads to the danger he inflicts on others more so than actually being in the mob. I don't dislike Sonny because he's a mobster, I'm not that hypocritical.... I LOVE bad guys. I don't like him because he's a repetitive bore who continuously puts his needs and his flavor of the month's above others. Does Julian do the same sometimes, yes in respect to Danny and Sam.... but he's new and hasn't yet had the time to bore me.

    I base my like of characters SOLELY on their ability to entertain. Nothing more, nothing less. Sonny lost that ability YEARS ago. I see no need in trying to make it sound like the characters I like are better than they are or try to make it look like they are exactly the way I want them to be to justify my love of them.... that takes WAY too much effort.


    In your post you mention Sonny being in the mob and the violence that surrounds him.
    You say his lifestyle choice puts his children in danger.
    if not for his mob connections, what do you think is putting his children in danger? The coffee business?


    I think I made it pretty clear when I said the "mistakes he continuously makes". I said I understood WHY he turned to the mob life and violence because of his past.


    Actually it wasn't clear at all.

    What I got from it was, you don't find Sonny entertaining.

    He's been on the show over 20 years so i'd guess he must be a popular character.

    To each their own.

    The subject at hand was father's and sons.
    I don't see Sonny anything like Mike.
    Sonny had no respect for Mike so lived his life nothing like Mike.

    Julian had no respect for his father yet follows in his footsteps.

    That's odd, TO ME.


    You keep bringing up Mike but Sonny wasn't raised by Mike, he abandoned his family and had gambling problems etc so how was Sonny suppose "follow in those footsteps" Julian was raised by victor and everything that Victor was got ingrained into Julian. sorry but the two comparisons don't work no matter how much you want them to. btw Sonny took care of Mike so he must have had some respect for him.


    They did reconnect .
    Yes, Sonny took care of his deadbeat father, paid off his debts and got him in rehab. Sonny has respect for FAMILY.
    Julian on the other hand that had all the luxuries of being rich wanted his father dead and wished he had killed him. That's Julian's sense of family.


    I think Sonny did forgive Mike. BUT it took YEARS and it took Mike never giving up. However Sonny was largely rased by his mother and abusive step father. Is there a gambleing gene, I don't know the answer but if so it by passed Sonny and went to Morgan. Sonny dosent hit women or children even if he lived and saw it for years. I think that s one reason Sonny breaks glass he doesent WANT to be like his step father and he WANTS to be a good father , something he ALWAYS wanted to be was a better father then is father and step father. Julian was rased by Victor and just never tired to fight againgest any of the bad traits his father displayed

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