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    OH Morgan

    Started by Bizlet at 2013/08/12 11:36AM
    Latest post: 2013/08/15 09:25AM, Views: 5975, Replies: 170
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    #101   2013/08/13 11:43AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    ransomha
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    I don't see her letting her mother push her around. She has all but cut off her mother. Won't answer her calls or her voting against her showed her strong will.

    And Morgan gave her an out. She chose not to take it. Her decision.


    Kiki is not showing a strong will AT ALL. She is vacillating between Michael, Morgan, Ava, Franco. She is confused and unsure. If she had a strong will, she would not be so mixed up and would instead be acting in her own best interests, WHICH SHE IS NOT. Morgan is taking advantage of that. If he truly cared for Kiki, he would also be acting in her own best interests, WHICH HE IS NOT.

    But obviously you choose to see things differently to back up your personal likes and dislikes, as you so often do, rans. Your prerogative. I'm sure you will also need to have the last word as that is another one of your MO's.

    Do you get why people find it so unpleasant to post with you, rans? You twist things up beyond recognition. Your insinuations are insulting to other posters, but when they call you on it, you then turn around and act like the victim. Posters have explained this to you numerous times and yet you continue with it.

    Perhaps you truly don't understand? Or perhaps you just like to stir the pot? Whatever the reason, it's not fun, which is why I generally skip past your posts and your threads. I will continue to do so.


    Co-sign. Some things are just futile. Just like in real life, some people are not capable of seeing where they might be wrong, and can't accept responsibility for their actions or words. Sad very sad.


    How can an OPINION about FICTIONAL characters be right or wrong? Because they don't match yours. they are wrong?


    It's not about your opinion of the show... it's about what actually happens and how you twist it into something that DIDN'T happen, or the other way around.


    I have given you examples of you doing the exact same thong about Sonny. But, the difference is, I DON'T CARE, twist away.

    #102   2013/08/13 11:44AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    shepmajor
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    Quote ransomha:
    Quote cardgirl:
    Quote ghfanfare:
    Quote ransomha:
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    Quote ransomha: Skip my posts if they aren't fun for you. No hard feelings. Try LIKE THREADS they are for people that only want comments that match their own.


    Wow. I have no problem at all with posters' opinions that don't 'match' mine. I do have a problem with twisting reality to further ridiculous arguments and insults to real people, two things you engage in frequently, rans. Obviously you do have hard feelings or you wouldn't be lobbing insults.


    Show me ONE post that has insulted a poster.
    I ONLY post about the show and NEVER poster bash. NEVER.

    I'm too old to be bullied and care if i'm part of a little clique'.

    I post my thoughts about the show within the guidelines of the board.

    I don't insult posters the way I have been insulted. Not my style.


    I'll show you one. This one. To tell me to only post in like threads where others will agree with me is INSULTING, rans.

    You have given us all this bit before about how you post within the guidelines and it is simply NOT TRUE. You bully, you poster bash, you do all the things that you say you do not. But you will never ever OWN IT. We all know it. It is obvious to all of us as reflected in numerous posts in this thread, rans.


    Or last week when I said your posts are sometimes belittling to others. You said that was my fault. Insulting AND condescending. Whatever, I'm out.


    How can I help if you feel belittled?


    How about start with: Don't belittle her? People are allowed to have opinions, but that doesn't mean they get to run roughshod over other people's feelings, then sit back and say "It's not my fault your feelings are hurt by what I said/say."

    Words mean something, Rans. You know that. You have expressed the fact that you sometimes get hurt when others express their feelings about Sonny - that sometimes you take it personally - so you very well know that what you say (and especially HOW you say it) can and does affect other people. Yeah, sometimes it's hard to tell if we're coming across as condescending - many people are completely unaware that THAT is how they sound. Instead of taking it as an attack, maybe take it as an opportunity to really *listen* to what you're saying it and how you're coming across. Maybe recognize that you bear as much responsibility when things go south as the other party(ies) involved.

    #103   2013/08/13 11:46AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    JaneDoe
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    Quote ransomha:
    Quote JaneDoe:
    Quote ransomha:
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    I don't see her letting her mother push her around. She has all but cut off her mother. Won't answer her calls or her voting against her showed her strong will.

    And Morgan gave her an out. She chose not to take it. Her decision.


    Kiki is not showing a strong will AT ALL. She is vacillating between Michael, Morgan, Ava, Franco. She is confused and unsure. If she had a strong will, she would not be so mixed up and would instead be acting in her own best interests, WHICH SHE IS NOT. Morgan is taking advantage of that. If he truly cared for Kiki, he would also be acting in her own best interests, WHICH HE IS NOT.

    But obviously you choose to see things differently to back up your personal likes and dislikes, as you so often do, rans. Your prerogative. I'm sure you will also need to have the last word as that is another one of your MO's.

    Do you get why people find it so unpleasant to post with you, rans? You twist things up beyond recognition. Your insinuations are insulting to other posters, but when they call you on it, you then turn around and act like the victim. Posters have explained this to you numerous times and yet you continue with it.

    Perhaps you truly don't understand? Or perhaps you just like to stir the pot? Whatever the reason, it's not fun, which is why I generally skip past your posts and your threads. I will continue to do so.


    Co-sign. Some things are just futile. Just like in real life, some people are not capable of seeing where they might be wrong, and can't accept responsibility for their actions or words. Sad very sad.


    How can an OPINION about FICTIONAL characters be right or wrong? Because they don't match yours. they are wrong?


    It's not about your opinion of the show... it's about what actually happens and how you twist it into something that DIDN'T happen, or the other way around.


    I have given you examples of you doing the exact same thong about Sonny. But, the difference is, I DON'T CARE, twist away.


    Not valid examples because what I said about Sonny HAPPENED. Right on my screen. He really makes it too easy.

    #104   2013/08/13 11:46AM
    Re: OH Morgan
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    Quote shepmajor:
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    Quote ransomha: If Morgan, AJ or Sonny would have gone after Abby, I think people would have been outraged. Michael's first love, they are his family etc.

    And If Abby came back, Michael would drop Kiki in a minute.

    The lack of family respect is disappointing to me. I'm appalled that so many are on board with brothers turning against each other.

    We have seen with Sonny and Ric and Jason and AJ this hatred lasts a life time. Very sad.


    Wait a minute Rans... you can't have it both ways... To the bolded... You have gone on record as HOPING that Morgan gets payback on Michael... is that not fostering a lifelong feud between the brothers?

    No, Michael should not be anywhere near Kiki... neither should Morgan. Wasn't it you who said Bro's before Ho's? Morgan knows Kiki doesn't love him - and for that reason alone, he should kick her to the curb.


    You took my words out of context.

    I said IF Michael continues to try to take Kiki and if he does indeed take her, I hope Morgan gets even. By then, their brother relationship would be over.

    And why should Morgan give up on his relationship? Because his brother wants his girlfriend?


    Why should Morgan give up on his relationship with Kiki? That should be obvious. BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT LOVE HIM. Because she has feelings for his brother. Because he has been reduced to a pathetic, whiny, manipulative turd who has to lie and nearly forcibly drag this girl to the altar, naively believing it will keep her from loving/wanting/lusting after his brother... That's not plenty of reason to walk away? Wouldn't you think he might deserve better than that?

    If you can leave Michael completely out of the picture for a moment, and just ponder that part: that the girl he loves/wants/is soooo pathetically desperate for simply does not return his feelings AND has feelings (whatever they may be) for another man... Who would want to be with anyone who isn't 100% invested in them? And why would they even consider settling for less?


    Exactly, regardless of whether there is another person involved, this girl does not truly love Morgan. It could be another man, and it would still be true. Why would Morgan want to be with someone who does not love him? It also shows he does not truly love her. He the thing he wants most is to show up Michael. He does not want Michael to have her, nothing less. If it were somebody else, I doubt he would act this way. Still Kiki does not love him. Another man or not. Morgan did this out of desperation and insecurity.

    #105   2013/08/13 11:50AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    shepmajor
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    Quote ransomha:
    Quote shepmajor:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote shepmajor:
    Quote ransomha: If Morgan, AJ or Sonny would have gone after Abby, I think people would have been outraged. Michael's first love, they are his family etc.

    And If Abby came back, Michael would drop Kiki in a minute.

    The lack of family respect is disappointing to me. I'm appalled that so many are on board with brothers turning against each other.

    We have seen with Sonny and Ric and Jason and AJ this hatred lasts a life time. Very sad.


    Wait a minute Rans... you can't have it both ways... To the bolded... You have gone on record as HOPING that Morgan gets payback on Michael... is that not fostering a lifelong feud between the brothers?

    No, Michael should not be anywhere near Kiki... neither should Morgan. Wasn't it you who said Bro's before Ho's? Morgan knows Kiki doesn't love him - and for that reason alone, he should kick her to the curb.


    You took my words out of context.

    I said IF Michael continues to try to take Kiki and if he does indeed take her, I hope Morgan gets even. By then, their brother relationship would be over.

    And why should Morgan give up on his relationship? Because his brother wants his girlfriend?


    Why should Morgan give up on his relationship with Kiki? That should be obvious. BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT LOVE HIM. Because she has feelings for his brother. Because he has been reduced to a pathetic, whiny, manipulative turd who has to lie and nearly forcibly drag this girl to the altar, naively believing it will keep her from loving/wanting/lusting after his brother... That's not plenty of reason to walk away? Wouldn't you think he might deserve better than that?

    If you can leave Michael completely out of the picture for a moment, and just ponder that part: that the girl he loves/wants/is soooo pathetically desperate for simply does not return his feelings AND has feelings (whatever they may be) for another man... Who would want to be with anyone who isn't 100% invested in them? And why would they even consider settling for less?


    Morgan is 19. He's in love.
    He asked Kiki if they were moving too fast. She said no.
    He asked Kiki to marry him,\She said Yes.

    They made love to seal the deal.
    Does Morgan have fears. YES but, like Kiki told Michael, she cares about him and hopes it will turn into love. I'm guessing that's what Morgan is hoping too.


    That's no excuse. You're not even addressing the elephant in the room... Kiki has feelings for another man. It's demeaning to Morgan to be in a relationship with a girl who does not want what he wants. Who is using him as a means of forcing herself not to act on her true feelings. Who is trying to FORCE herself into finding a way to learn to love him.

    Kiki allowed Morgan to use her body after accepting his proposal. Yet another way to try and force herself to not dwell on the other man. Morgan was being very passive-aggressive in asking if he was rushing her - he knows her well enough to know that she's not going to want to deliberately hurt him.

    Yeah, he's 19. So what? He's old enough to have some semblance of self-respect or pride... not that he's shown that he has either.

    He should step aside for HIMSELF, not for anyone else. (And yes, Michael should stay away from her too).

    #106   2013/08/13 11:52AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    shepmajor
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    Quote JaneDoe:
    Quote shepmajor:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote shepmajor:
    Quote ransomha: If Morgan, AJ or Sonny would have gone after Abby, I think people would have been outraged. Michael's first love, they are his family etc.

    And If Abby came back, Michael would drop Kiki in a minute.

    The lack of family respect is disappointing to me. I'm appalled that so many are on board with brothers turning against each other.

    We have seen with Sonny and Ric and Jason and AJ this hatred lasts a life time. Very sad.


    Wait a minute Rans... you can't have it both ways... To the bolded... You have gone on record as HOPING that Morgan gets payback on Michael... is that not fostering a lifelong feud between the brothers?

    No, Michael should not be anywhere near Kiki... neither should Morgan. Wasn't it you who said Bro's before Ho's? Morgan knows Kiki doesn't love him - and for that reason alone, he should kick her to the curb.


    You took my words out of context.

    I said IF Michael continues to try to take Kiki and if he does indeed take her, I hope Morgan gets even. By then, their brother relationship would be over.

    And why should Morgan give up on his relationship? Because his brother wants his girlfriend?


    Why should Morgan give up on his relationship with Kiki? That should be obvious. BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT LOVE HIM. Because she has feelings for his brother. Because he has been reduced to a pathetic, whiny, manipulative turd who has to lie and nearly forcibly drag this girl to the altar, naively believing it will keep her from loving/wanting/lusting after his brother... That's not plenty of reason to walk away? Wouldn't you think he might deserve better than that?

    If you can leave Michael completely out of the picture for a moment, and just ponder that part: that the girl he loves/wants/is soooo pathetically desperate for simply does not return his feelings AND has feelings (whatever they may be) for another man... Who would want to be with anyone who isn't 100% invested in them? And why would they even consider settling for less?


    My guess would be just so Morgan can win and Michael can lose. Michael is not worthy because he's giving his bio father a chance. I'm just making assumptions based on previous posts.


    The ultimate sin... not that he's turned his back on Sonny. Yet. Until he hears that Sonny knew Kiki wasn't a Q and allowed him to suffer the self-shame that comes from lusting after someone you think is a close blood relation.

    #107   2013/08/13 11:53AM
    Re: OH Morgan
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    Quote JaneDoe:
    Quote Bizlet: Morgan should give up on Kiki for this simple reason. Kiki does NOT love him back. So unless his master plan is to marry her fly to Sonny's island and chain her to the bed until she pledges her undying for him he should get out now.


    Agreed! You can't force someone to love you simply because you talked them into marriage to keep them from someone you KNOW they have feeling for.


    For a young man whose parents are divorced several times each. I don't know why he seems to think those vows and that paper are going hold them together.

    #108   2013/08/13 11:53AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    cardgirl
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    Quote shepmajor:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote cardgirl:
    Quote ghfanfare:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote ghfanfare:
    Quote ransomha: Skip my posts if they aren't fun for you. No hard feelings. Try LIKE THREADS they are for people that only want comments that match their own.


    Wow. I have no problem at all with posters' opinions that don't 'match' mine. I do have a problem with twisting reality to further ridiculous arguments and insults to real people, two things you engage in frequently, rans. Obviously you do have hard feelings or you wouldn't be lobbing insults.


    Show me ONE post that has insulted a poster.
    I ONLY post about the show and NEVER poster bash. NEVER.

    I'm too old to be bullied and care if i'm part of a little clique'.

    I post my thoughts about the show within the guidelines of the board.

    I don't insult posters the way I have been insulted. Not my style.


    I'll show you one. This one. To tell me to only post in like threads where others will agree with me is INSULTING, rans.

    You have given us all this bit before about how you post within the guidelines and it is simply NOT TRUE. You bully, you poster bash, you do all the things that you say you do not. But you will never ever OWN IT. We all know it. It is obvious to all of us as reflected in numerous posts in this thread, rans.


    Or last week when I said your posts are sometimes belittling to others. You said that was my fault. Insulting AND condescending. Whatever, I'm out.


    How can I help if you feel belittled?


    How about start with: Don't belittle her? People are allowed to have opinions, but that doesn't mean they get to run roughshod over other people's feelings, then sit back and say "It's not my fault your feelings are hurt by what I said/say."

    Words mean something, Rans. You know that. You have expressed the fact that you sometimes get hurt when others express their feelings about Sonny - that sometimes you take it personally - so you very well know that what you say (and especially HOW you say it) can and does affect other people. Yeah, sometimes it's hard to tell if we're coming across as condescending - many people are completely unaware that THAT is how they sound. Instead of taking it as an attack, maybe take it as an opportunity to really *listen* to what you're saying it and how you're coming across. Maybe recognize that you bear as much responsibility when things go south as the other party(ies) involved.


    Thanks, Shep. At least somebody gets me. I realize some times people say stuff and don't intend it to be hurtful. Even so, when it is pointed out to them, they should accept responsibility. I guess I can't expect everyone to live by my rule of thumb, just because you have the right to say it, does not mean you should. Oh well.

    #109   2013/08/13 11:54AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    ransomha
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    Quote cardgirl:
    Quote ghfanfare:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote ghfanfare:
    Quote ransomha: Skip my posts if they aren't fun for you. No hard feelings. Try LIKE THREADS they are for people that only want comments that match their own.


    Wow. I have no problem at all with posters' opinions that don't 'match' mine. I do have a problem with twisting reality to further ridiculous arguments and insults to real people, two things you engage in frequently, rans. Obviously you do have hard feelings or you wouldn't be lobbing insults.


    Show me ONE post that has insulted a poster.
    I ONLY post about the show and NEVER poster bash. NEVER.

    I'm too old to be bullied and care if i'm part of a little clique'.

    I post my thoughts about the show within the guidelines of the board.

    I don't insult posters the way I have been insulted. Not my style.


    I'll show you one. This one. To tell me to only post in like threads where others will agree with me is INSULTING, rans.

    You have given us all this bit before about how you post within the guidelines and it is simply NOT TRUE. You bully, you poster bash, you do all the things that you say you do not. But you will never ever OWN IT. We all know it. It is obvious to all of us as reflected in numerous posts in this thread, rans.


    Or last week when I said your posts are sometimes belittling to others. You said that was my fault. Insulting AND condescending. If just once you could admit you were wrong. Just because you post within the guidelines does not make you any less insulting. If just once you could perhaps apologize. Perhaps you truly don't see how your words can hurt others feelings. Even when it is pointed out to you, even if it was not intentional, at least say your sorry for doing it, even if it was unintentional. Don't disregard other's feelings.


    By your own word, you said my posts are belittling. Why critique my words? Just post about the show. That's what I try to do unless i'm personally called out. like you did.

    If anyone is ever hurt by my posts that is not my intention.
    If my opinions are hurtful. that too is not my intention.

    Why anyone would be insulted by my opinion about GH is beyond me but, it is never my intention to be rude to anyone. If any posters feel that I am rude in my responses to them about the show, I sincerely apologize.

    I love this show, and enjoy talking about it.

    #110   2013/08/13 11:54AM
    Re: OH Morgan
    shepmajor
    image

    Quote cardgirl:
    Quote shepmajor:
    Quote ransomha:
    Quote shepmajor:
    Quote ransomha: If Morgan, AJ or Sonny would have gone after Abby, I think people would have been outraged. Michael's first love, they are his family etc.

    And If Abby came back, Michael would drop Kiki in a minute.

    The lack of family respect is disappointing to me. I'm appalled that so many are on board with brothers turning against each other.

    We have seen with Sonny and Ric and Jason and AJ this hatred lasts a life time. Very sad.


    Wait a minute Rans... you can't have it both ways... To the bolded... You have gone on record as HOPING that Morgan gets payback on Michael... is that not fostering a lifelong feud between the brothers?

    No, Michael should not be anywhere near Kiki... neither should Morgan. Wasn't it you who said Bro's before Ho's? Morgan knows Kiki doesn't love him - and for that reason alone, he should kick her to the curb.


    You took my words out of context.

    I said IF Michael continues to try to take Kiki and if he does indeed take her, I hope Morgan gets even. By then, their brother relationship would be over.

    And why should Morgan give up on his relationship? Because his brother wants his girlfriend?


    Why should Morgan give up on his relationship with Kiki? That should be obvious. BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT LOVE HIM. Because she has feelings for his brother. Because he has been reduced to a pathetic, whiny, manipulative turd who has to lie and nearly forcibly drag this girl to the altar, naively believing it will keep her from loving/wanting/lusting after his brother... That's not plenty of reason to walk away? Wouldn't you think he might deserve better than that?

    If you can leave Michael completely out of the picture for a moment, and just ponder that part: that the girl he loves/wants/is soooo pathetically desperate for simply does not return his feelings AND has feelings (whatever they may be) for another man... Who would want to be with anyone who isn't 100% invested in them? And why would they even consider settling for less?


    Exactly, regardless of whether there is another person involved, this girl does not truly love Morgan. It could be another man, and it would still be true. Why would Morgan want to be with someone who does not love him? It also shows he does not truly love her. He the thing he wants most is to show up Michael. He does not want Michael to have her, nothing less. If it were somebody else, I doubt he would act this way. Still Kiki does not love him. Another man or not. Morgan did this out of desperation and insecurity.


    Precisely.

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