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Quote FlyerMCRS: Quote Izitjo: Quote watchdog: So now Liam is actually a four legged animal. Steffy is his trainer. She has trained him to give in to her commands. My question if Steffy has that much control over Liam why has she not trained him not to play with fire, he has the burns and keep going back for more.. Steffys Pavlov to Liams dog LMAO Our Steffy is one fine and talented young lady!! That year of college taught her some amazing stuff!!! See....we all said Hope SHOULD further her education, too! She'd have trained Liam to balance a biscuit on his nose by now! When did Steffy go to a year of college? |
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Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Thanks for a reasonable and accurate post. Not it's not. Hope ran to Olivier the nigth of her party when Amber ambushed Liam and he shown up too late. Liam found Hope at Olivier's place and she was making out with Olivier. Another time Hope was feeling neglected by Liam she went lookibg for Olivier and found him at the photo studio at FC and they made out. Whenever Hope was upset with Olivier, Hope ran to Olivier. This was way before Amber's pregnancy. The last time was when Liam and Hope were on aprivate planetogo away for the weekend and Liam got a call that Amber was in labor. Hope decided not to go with Liam to the hospital to see (what they thoguht) was the birth of HIS child. Hope ended up at Big Bear with her blosue compeltely unbuttoned and Olivier shirtless when Liam walked in.During allof this Hope KNEW that Olivier stilled loved her. he toldher. Brooke told herand Brooke encouraged Olivier to pursue Hope. Close...but it was not something that Hope initiated. So many people interfered. Ok - that's play that one out. If Olivier initiated the first make out sessions. Why did Hope keep going off with Olivier? They were shown making out four times, two which Liam caught. If Olivier told Hope he love her and then kissed her, she then allowed after everything else after that to happen. She is responsible for her decisions. She lead Olivier on by complaining about Liam and making out with him. And she cheated on Liam. Oliiver, Hope - no matter who initiated the first cheat session. Hope kept going back for more. Hope had loved Oliver, and he was a good person who loved her. She had been put in the position of feeling that she had to sacrifice her happiness with Liam because of the baby, so you blame her for considering someone she knew to be a good person who loved her truly and that she would have chosen had not the writers forced the accident on Brooke and him? I do not blame her..and Liam had been tricked into having sex with Amber..so what right did he have to blame her. Had I been the writer, I would not have written it that way...but I was not...and neither was she. ONCE AGAIN - Hope and Olivier cheated BEFORE Amber claimed to have had sex with Liam. So she was NOT "sacrificing her happiness" with Liam for a baby. Hope made out with Olivier AFTER she had repeatedly told Liam that she loved him. So Hope had moved on, claimed to love Liam, Amber was not only not pregnant but had not claimed to had had sex Liam when Hope started swapping spit with Olivier. Who did tell Hope he was still in love with her. If I am wrong, I will apologize. My mind is not as sharp as it once was, but I will check...or if you have a video or script, I'd happily consider it. |
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Quote FlyerMCRS: Quote Izitjo: Quote watchdog: So now Liam is actually a four legged animal. Steffy is his trainer. She has trained him to give in to her commands. My question if Steffy has that much control over Liam why has she not trained him not to play with fire, he has the burns and keep going back for more.. Steffys Pavlov to Liams dog LMAO Our Steffy is one fine and talented young lady!! That year of college taught her some amazing stuff!!! See....we all said Hope SHOULD further her education, too! She'd have trained Liam to balance a biscuit on his nose by now! It seems to me she has different tricks in mind...she mentioned peanut butter...I'm not trying to be gross...it just popped up since I heard it on Wilfred. |
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Quote NinaBee: Quote Nicoletta: Quote cityhunter: Quote hatingvil: Everyone, even Hope, talks about Hope's "sin" of leaving Liam when things weren't ideal, an understatement of Steffy's relentlessa and unmitigated attacks on Liam's love for Hope. For all this time, Steffy has used it, unchallenged except on a couple of occasions by Katie or Brooke, and by Liam until she bashed his efforts so forcefully he gave up and humored her, in hopes of her tiring of attacking until he could get to Hope...which he thought he could in Italy...but no, she had to "protect" him from Hope again, using Bill's help she declined to claim, since he did it for her without her demanding it...as he, too, has learned his Pavlovian ("Steffian") triggered responses so well he no longer postpones until he gets her demands. What I'd like to know is when Steffy will stop her sin of stalking him, whether he allows it or not. We know she would even if he resisted as he did before he learned it was futile. Again, I am just expressing what I saw portrayed onscreen. Did no one else see it? Has the rewriting erased it? So Steffy looking for him is "stalking him"?So everytime he looks for her he's "stalking her " as well?How does this wok for you? Apparently it's only stalking when Steffy does it. Who knew that Steffy had the power to make people do so many things against their will. Lucky her! I wonder why she hasn't used them to get Liam to want only her or to get all these "BENEFITS" from Liam that so many people say she is desperate for. And close. Jazz hands. LOL! Love it!! |
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Quote hatingvil: Quote watchdog: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Thanks for a reasonable and accurate post. Not it's not. Hope ran to Olivier the nigth of her party when Amber ambushed Liam and he shown up too late. Liam found Hope at Olivier's place and she was making out with Olivier. Another time Hope was feeling neglected by Liam she went lookibg for Olivier and found him at the photo studio at FC and they made out. Whenever Hope was upset with Olivier, Hope ran to Olivier. This was way before Amber's pregnancy. The last time was when Liam and Hope were on aprivate planetogo away for the weekend and Liam got a call that Amber was in labor. Hope decided not to go with Liam to the hospital to see (what they thoguht) was the birth of HIS child. Hope ended up at Big Bear with her blosue compeltely unbuttoned and Olivier shirtless when Liam walked in.During allof this Hope KNEW that Olivier stilled loved her. he toldher. Brooke told herand Brooke encouraged Olivier to pursue Hope. Close...but it was not something that Hope initiated. So many people interfered. Ok - that's play that one out. If Olivier initiated the first make out sessions. Why did Hope keep going off with Olivier? They were shown making out four times, two which Liam caught. If Olivier told Hope he love her and then kissed her, she then allowed after everything else after that to happen. She is responsible for her decisions. She lead Olivier on by complaining about Liam and making out with him. And she cheated on Liam. Oliiver, Hope - no matter who initiated the first cheat session. Hope kept going back for more. Hope had loved Oliver, and he was a good person who loved her. She had been put in the position of feeling that she had to sacrifice her happiness with Liam because of the baby, so you blame her for considering someone she knew to be a good person who loved her truly and that she would have chosen had not the writers forced the accident on Brooke and him? I do not blame her..and Liam had been tricked into having sex with Amber..so what right did he have to blame her. Had I been the writer, I would not have written it that way...but I was not...and neither was she. The writer is the blame for it all, even the way Steffy is written. I feel thats why alot of times the nasty posting get started. Hope/Logans misdeeds are chalked up to the writer. Steffy apparently writes for herself. The Steffy fans try to defend are chalked up to supporting her bad behavior,which I don't think some do just don't think its fair to support their favs bad behavior with the writer card. Just my opinion on why we can post in peace. The writers do try to accommodate all fans, which I detest, but I'm not cashing the checks.For some fans, it's as simple as blondes or brunettes, polite versus snotty, Taylor versus Brooke. Overall, Hope tries to be good as does Brooke, and both are sincerely repentant if they are not or even if others think they are not. Isee Taylor and Steffy as believing they have every right to mistreat Hope or Brooke and never to be punished , though theywould heap burning coals and not as in returning good for evil as the Bible suggests, but in the literal sense over their self-designated enemies, who are only kind and long-ssuffering toward them. Sorry about my bad typing. I never learned...but I did have perfect spelling tests on the state level every year.I'm so ashamed of my typing, I needed someone to know that. Sorry. |
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Quote hatingvil: Quote Nicoletta: Quote cityhunter: Quote hatingvil: Everyone, even Hope, talks about Hope's "sin" of leaving Liam when things weren't ideal, an understatement of Steffy's relentlessa and unmitigated attacks on Liam's love for Hope. For all this time, Steffy has used it, unchallenged except on a couple of occasions by Katie or Brooke, and by Liam until she bashed his efforts so forcefully he gave up and humored her, in hopes of her tiring of attacking until he could get to Hope...which he thought he could in Italy...but no, she had to "protect" him from Hope again, using Bill's help she declined to claim, since he did it for her without her demanding it...as he, too, has learned his Pavlovian ("Steffian") triggered responses so well he no longer postpones until he gets her demands. What I'd like to know is when Steffy will stop her sin of stalking him, whether he allows it or not. We know she would even if he resisted as he did before he learned it was futile. Again, I am just expressing what I saw portrayed onscreen. Did no one else see it? Has the rewriting erased it? So Steffy looking for him is "stalking him"?So everytime he looks for her he's "stalking her " as well?How does this wok for you? Apparently it's only stalking when Steffy does it. Who knew that Steffy had the power to make people do so many things against their will. Lucky her! I wonder why she hasn't used them to get Liam to want only her or to get all these "BENEFITS" from Liam that so many people say she is desperate for. What do you think she's doing...she's setting the stage to get the kill this time. It's all part of her evil plan! MHAHAHA! |
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Quote FlyerMCRS: Quote hatingvil: Quote watchdog: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Thanks for a reasonable and accurate post. Not it's not. Hope ran to Olivier the nigth of her party when Amber ambushed Liam and he shown up too late. Liam found Hope at Olivier's place and she was making out with Olivier. Another time Hope was feeling neglected by Liam she went lookibg for Olivier and found him at the photo studio at FC and they made out. Whenever Hope was upset with Olivier, Hope ran to Olivier. This was way before Amber's pregnancy. The last time was when Liam and Hope were on aprivate planetogo away for the weekend and Liam got a call that Amber was in labor. Hope decided not to go with Liam to the hospital to see (what they thoguht) was the birth of HIS child. Hope ended up at Big Bear with her blosue compeltely unbuttoned and Olivier shirtless when Liam walked in.During allof this Hope KNEW that Olivier stilled loved her. he toldher. Brooke told herand Brooke encouraged Olivier to pursue Hope. Close...but it was not something that Hope initiated. So many people interfered. Ok - that's play that one out. If Olivier initiated the first make out sessions. Why did Hope keep going off with Olivier? They were shown making out four times, two which Liam caught. If Olivier told Hope he love her and then kissed her, she then allowed after everything else after that to happen. She is responsible for her decisions. She lead Olivier on by complaining about Liam and making out with him. And she cheated on Liam. Oliiver, Hope - no matter who initiated the first cheat session. Hope kept going back for more. Hope had loved Oliver, and he was a good person who loved her. She had been put in the position of feeling that she had to sacrifice her happiness with Liam because of the baby, so you blame her for considering someone she knew to be a good person who loved her truly and that she would have chosen had not the writers forced the accident on Brooke and him? I do not blame her..and Liam had been tricked into having sex with Amber..so what right did he have to blame her. Had I been the writer, I would not have written it that way...but I was not...and neither was she. The writer is the blame for it all, even the way Steffy is written. I feel thats why alot of times the nasty posting get started. Hope/Logans misdeeds are chalked up to the writer. Steffy apparently writes for herself. The Steffy fans try to defend are chalked up to supporting her bad behavior,which I don't think some do just don't think its fair to support their favs bad behavior with the writer card. Just my opinion on why we can post in peace. The writers do try to accommodate all fans, which I detest, but I'm not cashing the checks.For some fans, it's as simple as blondes or brunettes, polite versus snotty, Taylor versus Brooke. Overall, Hope tries to be good as does Brooke, and both are sincerely repentant if they are not or even if others think they are not. Isee Taylor and Steffy as believing they have every right to mistreat Hope or Brooke and never to be punished , though theywould heap burning coals and not as in returning good for evil as the Bible suggests, but in the literal sense over their self-designated enemies, who are only kind and long-ssuffering toward them. HUH??? Sorry for rushing and misspelling or mistyping. If you'd not mind being more specific with your "huh", I'd happily honor it if you'd like. |
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Quote Nicoletta: Quote hatingvil: Quote Nicoletta: Quote cityhunter: Quote hatingvil: Everyone, even Hope, talks about Hope's "sin" of leaving Liam when things weren't ideal, an understatement of Steffy's relentlessa and unmitigated attacks on Liam's love for Hope. For all this time, Steffy has used it, unchallenged except on a couple of occasions by Katie or Brooke, and by Liam until she bashed his efforts so forcefully he gave up and humored her, in hopes of her tiring of attacking until he could get to Hope...which he thought he could in Italy...but no, she had to "protect" him from Hope again, using Bill's help she declined to claim, since he did it for her without her demanding it...as he, too, has learned his Pavlovian ("Steffian") triggered responses so well he no longer postpones until he gets her demands. What I'd like to know is when Steffy will stop her sin of stalking him, whether he allows it or not. We know she would even if he resisted as he did before he learned it was futile. Again, I am just expressing what I saw portrayed onscreen. Did no one else see it? Has the rewriting erased it? So Steffy looking for him is "stalking him"?So everytime he looks for her he's "stalking her " as well?How does this wok for you? Apparently it's only stalking when Steffy does it. Who knew that Steffy had the power to make people do so many things against their will. Lucky her! I wonder why she hasn't used them to get Liam to want only her or to get all these "BENEFITS" from Liam that so many people say she is desperate for. What do you think she's doing...she's setting the stage to get the kill this time. It's all part of her evil plan! MHAHAHA! Unfortunately for Liam and Hope and anyone who hates evil, yes! |
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Quote hatingvil: Quote Nicoletta: Quote hatingvil: Quote Nicoletta: Quote cityhunter: Quote hatingvil: Everyone, even Hope, talks about Hope's "sin" of leaving Liam when things weren't ideal, an understatement of Steffy's relentlessa and unmitigated attacks on Liam's love for Hope. For all this time, Steffy has used it, unchallenged except on a couple of occasions by Katie or Brooke, and by Liam until she bashed his efforts so forcefully he gave up and humored her, in hopes of her tiring of attacking until he could get to Hope...which he thought he could in Italy...but no, she had to "protect" him from Hope again, using Bill's help she declined to claim, since he did it for her without her demanding it...as he, too, has learned his Pavlovian ("Steffian") triggered responses so well he no longer postpones until he gets her demands. What I'd like to know is when Steffy will stop her sin of stalking him, whether he allows it or not. We know she would even if he resisted as he did before he learned it was futile. Again, I am just expressing what I saw portrayed onscreen. Did no one else see it? Has the rewriting erased it? So Steffy looking for him is "stalking him"?So everytime he looks for her he's "stalking her " as well?How does this wok for you? Apparently it's only stalking when Steffy does it. Who knew that Steffy had the power to make people do so many things against their will. Lucky her! I wonder why she hasn't used them to get Liam to want only her or to get all these "BENEFITS" from Liam that so many people say she is desperate for. What do you think she's doing...she's setting the stage to get the kill this time. It's all part of her evil plan! MHAHAHA! Unfortunately for Liam and Hope and anyone who hates evil, yes! MHAHAHA!!! |
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Quote watchdog: Quote Vettey: Quote watchdog: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Sorry to be OT,but if Hope stepsister is kissing her fiance (Steffy), what does that make Thomas her stepbrother. Taylor/Ridge are both them parents. Before I get Thomas kissed her, they did kinda date/hang out before. Can't have it both ways peps. Steffy/Thomas will be her stepsister when Bridge get married for how ever many times. Steffy has major issues with Hope because she feels like Ridge left her family for Hopes...(Thomas has a lot less issues!) Steffy has been jealous and competive as hell with Hope! Steffy is older and acting like a little brat, while telling Liam "Hope has to grow up!" Now I really don't have a problem with the Thomas/Hope conncetion as long as they are not blood related! And I wish Caroline didn't get hurt, because she doesn't deserve it!(much like Hope) But I do have problems with Steffy and any woman whose behavior come close to resemble hers. We will have to agree to disagre, because I have problems with Hopes,selfrighteous behavior. Hope actually comes close, she did pursue and sleep with a married man, She's underage drinker,she took illegal drugs knowingly, she approved/encouraged her brother to manipulate Steffy. She was loyal to Amber as long as she needed the pills, She pretended to be friendly with Caroline to get info for Rick, She lied about why she was seeing a therapist/taking pills,she disrespected Stephanie,Ridge and even her mom when it was not what she wanted to hear all of 19. She told Steffy she wanted to learn from her but bad mouth her line to Ridge and got it back burner and HFTF up front. I can go on and on as I'm sure you can about Steffy. I don't support Steffy bad behavior and she admits to it. Hope just continue to act like she has such high standards and people buy it. She did not pursue Liam....Steffy PURSUED and is still pursuing Liam...even after he has told her and showed her in every way imaginable that she is and will probably always be his second choice! That is my main problem with Steffy! She has No Self-Respect! And let's talk about how he became a married man why he was married for six months...He was tricked by Steffy -which she admitted too! Then when he found out and wanted nothing to do with that chick she refused to sign the Annulment! Even though she tricked him into marrying her. And she knew that he always wanted to marry Hope! Well in Mexico the legal age to drink is 18! (check it out) And I remember her telling Thomas she wasn't much of a drinker! I also remember who kept sending her those drinks (Steffy) because she wanted Her brother to sleep with a drunk Hope! So what is good for Steffy/Thomas to do, must be cool for Hope/Rick do too! No she didn't initially take illegal drugs Knowingly! Amber switched her pills and she got hooked on them! Addiction is a serious thing- nothing to play with! It makes you act in ways you'd never ever would otherwise. What is Steffy's excuse? Hope behavior has been on point especially since she told Liam to kick rocks! While Steffy is still trying to be Liam personal 7/11-- legs open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week including hoildays! just shameful! |
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