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When Did Hope Abandon Liam Not Chased Away by Stef
Started by hatingvil at 2012/09/06 05:12PMLatest post: 2012/09/13 08:15AM, Views: 2763, Replies: 109
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Quote Nicoletta: Quote cityhunter: Quote hatingvil: Everyone, even Hope, talks about Hope's "sin" of leaving Liam when things weren't ideal, an understatement of Steffy's relentlessa and unmitigated attacks on Liam's love for Hope. For all this time, Steffy has used it, unchallenged except on a couple of occasions by Katie or Brooke, and by Liam until she bashed his efforts so forcefully he gave up and humored her, in hopes of her tiring of attacking until he could get to Hope...which he thought he could in Italy...but no, she had to "protect" him from Hope again, using Bill's help she declined to claim, since he did it for her without her demanding it...as he, too, has learned his Pavlovian ("Steffian") triggered responses so well he no longer postpones until he gets her demands. What I'd like to know is when Steffy will stop her sin of stalking him, whether he allows it or not. We know she would even if he resisted as he did before he learned it was futile. Again, I am just expressing what I saw portrayed onscreen. Did no one else see it? Has the rewriting erased it? So Steffy looking for him is "stalking him"?So everytime he looks for her he's "stalking her " as well?How does this wok for you? Apparently it's only stalking when Steffy does it. Who knew that Steffy had the power to make people do so many things against their will. Lucky her! I wonder why she hasn't used them to get Liam to want only her or to get all these "BENEFITS" from Liam that so many people say she is desperate for.  And close. Jazz hands. |
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Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote watchdog: Quote hatingvil: You don't think the nightclubbing was playing with fire? And I consider her an ineffective trainer...but persistence does pay off...and to her he is just an animal. Your words not mine. Steffy commands Liam. My point was as you just stated she must be ineffective. Nightclubbing, let me see, no just drinking firewater. Hope's underage drinks and has taken a pill or two to feel free. She's turned down a lot of drinks, too...and never asked for the pills...until Steffy drilled "Adultery" into her head and the doctor persuaded her to try them...and Bill and Steffy kept attacking...and it was poorly written. Many people take much more than that and only consider it following doctor's orders. Hope marched herself right into Steffy's office and announced that she was "taking (steffy's) power away!" by screwing Steffy's husband that night. That is when Steffy told Hope she won't do it because of Hope's "principles" and doing so would make her an adultress. That IS ALL on Hope. She was full of herself and thoguth she had the upper hand. Hope went ahead and spread them for Liam. It was Brooke who thoguht someone was wrong with Hope ebcuase Hope didn't enjoy her first time. And it was Hope who popped the first timein order to have sex with Liam again. Hope had suffered unfairly and intensely over Steffy's blatant attack on her marriage. Liam wanted Hope, not Steffy. Steffy knew that and bullied Hope to keep her away. Hope had enough and rather than stalk asnd sneak as Steffy had sone, she was upfront and honest to Steffy, something Steffy's fans say they admire in her...but I guess Hope has no right to be admired for being upfront and honest. Steffy never aattacked Hope and Liam's marriage as Hope and Liam have NEVER BEEN MARRIED. Steffy and Liam were married. And Hope and her heifer family attacked Liam all the time. That was a blanatant attack on Steffy's marriage. How did Steffy bully Hope away from Steffy's husband? Steffy had not been aware that Hope kept snmeaking aorund to see Liam. Miss Holier Than Thou - I Have Principles has no right to be admired by anyone for being the slutty hypocrite she is. Hope chased a married man (which yes Steffy did chase Bill) but Steffy never moved in or had sex with Bill unlike Hope who shacked up with a married man. And NO ONE with morals or principles or values would NEVER go to a wife and say I'm going to (blank) your husband. Forgive me for considering the marriage that had culminated properly to the last hours before the ceremony to be more of one than that Steffy thrust down Liam's throat. Do you not recall Steffy erasing Hope's messages and then disposing of his phone to keep him fromher, getting Bill's plane to rush them away, having Bill command her locked in the gondola, begging Hope not to see him when she came back, throwing herself all over Liam when he tried to talk to Hope? |
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Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. Is this some kind of a Behavior Modification Program....like Pavlov's Dogs???? Cool!!! Woof! Woof! Down, Liam!!!
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Quote Izitjo: Quote watchdog: So now Liam is actually a four legged animal. Steffy is his trainer. She has trained him to give in to her commands. My question if Steffy has that much control over Liam why has she not trained him not to play with fire, he has the burns and keep going back for more.. Steffys Pavlov to Liams dog LMAO OMG.....I posted the same before I even saw your response!Our Steffy is one fine and talented young lady!! That year of college taught her some amazing stuff!!! See....we all said Hope SHOULD further her education, too! She'd have trained Liam to balance a biscuit on his nose by now! 
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Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Thanks for a reasonable and accurate post. Not it's not. Hope ran to Olivier the nigth of her party when Amber ambushed Liam and he shown up too late. Liam found Hope at Olivier's place and she was making out with Olivier. Another time Hope was feeling neglected by Liam she went lookibg for Olivier and found him at the photo studio at FC and they made out. Whenever Hope was upset with Olivier, Hope ran to Olivier. This was way before Amber's pregnancy. The last time was when Liam and Hope were on aprivate planetogo away for the weekend and Liam got a call that Amber was in labor. Hope decided not to go with Liam to the hospital to see (what they thoguht) was the birth of HIS child. Hope ended up at Big Bear with her blosue compeltely unbuttoned and Olivier shirtless when Liam walked in.During allof this Hope KNEW that Olivier stilled loved her. he toldher. Brooke told herand Brooke encouraged Olivier to pursue Hope. Close...but it was not something that Hope initiated. So many people interfered. Ok - that's play that one out. If Olivier initiated the first make out sessions. Why did Hope keep going off with Olivier? They were shown making out four times, two which Liam caught. If Olivier told Hope he love her and then kissed her, she then allowed after everything else after that to happen. She is responsible for her decisions. She lead Olivier on by complaining about Liam and making out with him. And she cheated on Liam. Oliiver, Hope - no matter who initiated the first cheat session. Hope kept going back for more. Hope had loved Oliver, and he was a good person who loved her. She had been put in the position of feeling that she had to sacrifice her happiness with Liam because of the baby, so you blame her for considering someone she knew to be a good person who loved her truly and that she would have chosen had not the writers forced the accident on Brooke and him? I do not blame her..and Liam had been tricked into having sex with Amber..so what right did he have to blame her. Had I been the writer, I would not have written it that way...but I was not...and neither was she. ONCE AGAIN - Hope and Olivier cheated BEFORE Amber claimed to have had sex with Liam. So she was NOT "sacrificing her happiness" with Liam for a baby. Hope made out with Olivier AFTER she had repeatedly told Liam that she loved him. So Hope had moved on, claimed to love Liam, Amber was not only not pregnant but had not claimed to had had sex Liam when Hope started swapping spit with Olivier. Who did tell Hope he was still in love with her. |
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Quote watchdog: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Thanks for a reasonable and accurate post. Not it's not. Hope ran to Olivier the nigth of her party when Amber ambushed Liam and he shown up too late. Liam found Hope at Olivier's place and she was making out with Olivier. Another time Hope was feeling neglected by Liam she went lookibg for Olivier and found him at the photo studio at FC and they made out. Whenever Hope was upset with Olivier, Hope ran to Olivier. This was way before Amber's pregnancy. The last time was when Liam and Hope were on aprivate planetogo away for the weekend and Liam got a call that Amber was in labor. Hope decided not to go with Liam to the hospital to see (what they thoguht) was the birth of HIS child. Hope ended up at Big Bear with her blosue compeltely unbuttoned and Olivier shirtless when Liam walked in.During allof this Hope KNEW that Olivier stilled loved her. he toldher. Brooke told herand Brooke encouraged Olivier to pursue Hope. Close...but it was not something that Hope initiated. So many people interfered. Ok - that's play that one out. If Olivier initiated the first make out sessions. Why did Hope keep going off with Olivier? They were shown making out four times, two which Liam caught. If Olivier told Hope he love her and then kissed her, she then allowed after everything else after that to happen. She is responsible for her decisions. She lead Olivier on by complaining about Liam and making out with him. And she cheated on Liam. Oliiver, Hope - no matter who initiated the first cheat session. Hope kept going back for more. Hope had loved Oliver, and he was a good person who loved her. She had been put in the position of feeling that she had to sacrifice her happiness with Liam because of the baby, so you blame her for considering someone she knew to be a good person who loved her truly and that she would have chosen had not the writers forced the accident on Brooke and him? I do not blame her..and Liam had been tricked into having sex with Amber..so what right did he have to blame her. Had I been the writer, I would not have written it that way...but I was not...and neither was she. The writer is the blame for it all, even the way Steffy is written. I feel thats why alot of times the nasty posting get started. Hope/Logans misdeeds are chalked up to the writer. Steffy apparently writes for herself. The Steffy fans try to defend are chalked up to supporting her bad behavior,which I don't think some do just don't think its fair to support their favs bad behavior with the writer card. Just my opinion on why we can post in peace. The writers do try to accommodate all fans, which I detest, but I'm not cashing the checks.For some fans, it's as simple as blondes or brunettes, polite versus snotty, Taylor versus Brooke. Overall, Hope tries to be good as does Brooke, and both are sincerely repentant if they are not or even if others think they are not. Isee Taylor and Steffy as believing they have every right to mistreat Hope or Brooke and never to be punished , though theywould heap burning coals and not as in returning good for evil as the Bible suggests, but in the literal sense over their self-designated enemies, who are only kind and long-ssuffering toward them. |
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Quote hatingvil: Quote watchdog: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote SoapToNut: Quote hatingvil: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Thanks for a reasonable and accurate post. Not it's not. Hope ran to Olivier the nigth of her party when Amber ambushed Liam and he shown up too late. Liam found Hope at Olivier's place and she was making out with Olivier. Another time Hope was feeling neglected by Liam she went lookibg for Olivier and found him at the photo studio at FC and they made out. Whenever Hope was upset with Olivier, Hope ran to Olivier. This was way before Amber's pregnancy. The last time was when Liam and Hope were on aprivate planetogo away for the weekend and Liam got a call that Amber was in labor. Hope decided not to go with Liam to the hospital to see (what they thoguht) was the birth of HIS child. Hope ended up at Big Bear with her blosue compeltely unbuttoned and Olivier shirtless when Liam walked in.During allof this Hope KNEW that Olivier stilled loved her. he toldher. Brooke told herand Brooke encouraged Olivier to pursue Hope. Close...but it was not something that Hope initiated. So many people interfered. Ok - that's play that one out. If Olivier initiated the first make out sessions. Why did Hope keep going off with Olivier? They were shown making out four times, two which Liam caught. If Olivier told Hope he love her and then kissed her, she then allowed after everything else after that to happen. She is responsible for her decisions. She lead Olivier on by complaining about Liam and making out with him. And she cheated on Liam. Oliiver, Hope - no matter who initiated the first cheat session. Hope kept going back for more. Hope had loved Oliver, and he was a good person who loved her. She had been put in the position of feeling that she had to sacrifice her happiness with Liam because of the baby, so you blame her for considering someone she knew to be a good person who loved her truly and that she would have chosen had not the writers forced the accident on Brooke and him? I do not blame her..and Liam had been tricked into having sex with Amber..so what right did he have to blame her. Had I been the writer, I would not have written it that way...but I was not...and neither was she. The writer is the blame for it all, even the way Steffy is written. I feel thats why alot of times the nasty posting get started. Hope/Logans misdeeds are chalked up to the writer. Steffy apparently writes for herself. The Steffy fans try to defend are chalked up to supporting her bad behavior,which I don't think some do just don't think its fair to support their favs bad behavior with the writer card. Just my opinion on why we can post in peace. The writers do try to accommodate all fans, which I detest, but I'm not cashing the checks.For some fans, it's as simple as blondes or brunettes, polite versus snotty, Taylor versus Brooke. Overall, Hope tries to be good as does Brooke, and both are sincerely repentant if they are not or even if others think they are not. Isee Taylor and Steffy as believing they have every right to mistreat Hope or Brooke and never to be punished , though theywould heap burning coals and not as in returning good for evil as the Bible suggests, but in the literal sense over their self-designated enemies, who are only kind and long-ssuffering toward them. HUH??? |
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Quote NinaBee: Quote Nicoletta: Quote cityhunter: Quote hatingvil: Everyone, even Hope, talks about Hope's "sin" of leaving Liam when things weren't ideal, an understatement of Steffy's relentlessa and unmitigated attacks on Liam's love for Hope. For all this time, Steffy has used it, unchallenged except on a couple of occasions by Katie or Brooke, and by Liam until she bashed his efforts so forcefully he gave up and humored her, in hopes of her tiring of attacking until he could get to Hope...which he thought he could in Italy...but no, she had to "protect" him from Hope again, using Bill's help she declined to claim, since he did it for her without her demanding it...as he, too, has learned his Pavlovian ("Steffian") triggered responses so well he no longer postpones until he gets her demands. What I'd like to know is when Steffy will stop her sin of stalking him, whether he allows it or not. We know she would even if he resisted as he did before he learned it was futile. Again, I am just expressing what I saw portrayed onscreen. Did no one else see it? Has the rewriting erased it? So Steffy looking for him is "stalking him"?So everytime he looks for her he's "stalking her " as well?How does this wok for you? Apparently it's only stalking when Steffy does it. Who knew that Steffy had the power to make people do so many things against their will. Lucky her! I wonder why she hasn't used them to get Liam to want only her or to get all these "BENEFITS" from Liam that so many people say she is desperate for. And close. Jazz hands. Maybe you should interpret your favorite phrse for me, after all....I apologize for not getting it or your favorite character. |
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Quote FlyerMCRS: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. Is this some kind of a Behavior Modification Program....like Pavlov's Dogs???? Cool!!! Woof! Woof! Down, Liam!!! In my opinion , yes...can you think of another? |
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Quote hatingvil: Quote Vettey: Quote watchdog: Quote Vettey: Quote SoapToNut: Quote ngirl26: Quote hatingvil: She took a long time to condition him to looking for her or saying he would if she hadn't shown up. Like the dull student, who pores and pores over his studies to achieve marks sthers get with no effort, she has made it her life's work to condidtion him to her commands. IDA. I believe that the only times that Hope has ever left Liam is because he kept screwing up in one way or another. He has never given her a choice but to keep leaving. He kept betraying her trust...first with Amber, then Steffy. How many times is someone supposed to stay in situations like those? I mean...dang. Hope has broken up with Liam four or five times - not all because he screwed up. And she use to run to Olivier for make out sessions. Then there are the times when she simplely stood him up with out explanation. That is not how I remember it! Hope loved Oliver until she found out about him and Brooke! Then along came Liam...and then came Amber- faking pregnancy Hope broke up with him then but ultimately she was still prepared to stand by him! Then came Steffy... she knew that they were in love, she stalked the couple in a private moment when he asked Hope to marry him... she just couldn't stand to see Hope happy! So Steffy went into manipulation mode! Showing up at her step-sister fiance house in the middle of the night, not knocking on the door, not leaving when she was asked too! Knowing that her step-sister was out of town, All that to talk trash about Hope,trying to start trouble in their relationship and try to convince him not to marry her! When that didn't work she begged him to kiss her-Hope saw it and dropped him! And it has been downhill for Liam ever since! Sorry to be OT,but if Hope stepsister is kissing her fiance (Steffy), what does that make Thomas her stepbrother. Taylor/Ridge are both them parents. Before I get Thomas kissed her, they did kinda date/hang out before. Can't have it both ways peps. Steffy/Thomas will be her stepsister when Bridge get married for how ever many times. Steffy has major issues with Hope because she feels like Ridge left her family for Hopes...(Thomas has a lot less issues!) Steffy has been jealous and competive as hell with Hope! Steffy is older and acting like a little brat, while telling Liam "Hope has to grow up!" Now I really don't have a problem with the Thomas/Hope conncetion as long as they are not blood related! And I wish Caroline didn't get hurt, because she doesn't deserve it!(much like Hope) But I do have problems with Steffy and any woman whose behavior come close to resemble hers. Believe it or not ,Vettey, there are many who don't relish being attacked who share your views, as do I...but then I grew up in the boondocks of the Bible Belt in the 40's and 50's so I know I am scorned by Steffyers. Don't trip...it is all in good fun! |
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