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Now that Steffy Admitted She Tricked Liam
Started by 1bluegoose at 2012/07/19 10:43AMLatest post: 2012/07/24 06:59AM, Views: 3444, Replies: 82
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Quote bbfan23: Quote 11aces: Quote bbfan23: Quote navitavi: Quote bbfan23: Quote 1bluegoose: Does anyone feel any less aggression towards Hope? Is it less offensive that Hope pursued Liam? I'm just wondering if Hope gets any slack because of Steffy's admission. Not at all. Hope tried to and successfully destroyed a marriage - and a marriage is more sacred than an engagement imo. Two wrongs do not make a right - certainly not if Hope was preaching about morality etc. I would have and will feel less aggression towards Hope is she wasn't on her soapbox the whole time. But how sacred is it if Steffy purposely tricked the husband into it.....??? Not at all until Steffy confessed and Liam forgave her. He had a choice to walk out of the marriage, but chose to stick with Steffy. They agreed on a clean slate - but as usual, Liam lies to himself and everybody else. It isn't Steffy's fault that Hope and the Logans couldn't handle Liam's choice to stick with Steffy and went all out to break up that marriage. Despite the fact that Liam doesn't know what he does ALL the time, the moment he CHOSE to recommit to Steffy puts him and Hope entirely in the blame for that failed marriage. JMO. Thats NOT what happened. We saw Liam forgive Steffy for what she did in aspen, on the very firm condition that she NEVER lie to him, or manipulate him again. Then they went to cabo, and Steffy was caught once again lying to her husband/insurance policy. The one thing she knew he would not tolerate. That is why their marriage ended. Steffy, and only Steffy was the blame for that. Not Hope. I presume you hadn't read my post no.25 before putting in your 2 cents. I cannot blame Steffy for keeping Hope's whereabouts secret from Liam in Cabo. God forbid if I was in that situation with a cheating loser husband like Liam and I actually really loved him, I think I would do the same. Seriously, Hope is blameless? WHO in their right mind rings up their ex while he is on vacation with his wife to tell him that you still love him and that this guy (Tom) is interested in you and to give your ex the status of her hymen?  True that Liam was already daydreaming about Hope, but Hope was at fault for telling Liam that her hymen was still in tact and waiting for him etc. I doubt Liam would have been in such a tizzy if Hope actually practised what she preached and KEPT HER DISTANCE during the marriage and REBUFFED Liam's attempts to get close to her. As we can argue til the moon turns blue whether it's Hope's or Steffy's fault, let's just agree that Liam is primarily at fault. He wrecked his marriage with Steffy, and is in the process of wrecking his marriage with Hope. Yes I did read that aswell #25, and what your saying is Steffy didn't lie in cabo, only omit truth about Hope being there right ? I have to disagree with that aswell, there was more to it than that. Liam was actually putting in an effort with Steffy, and wanted to try and bond with her in cabo, however every attempt he made to spend time with her, she took off leaving him there by himself. Then came the direct question from Liam about where she had been, and she flat out lied and told him, she had been getting private lessons in massage just for him. Steffy was also working with Thomas to get Hope drunk, and take advantage of her. Liam quickly worked out the truth when they were on the balcony watching a tipsy to drunk Hope with Thomas. Hope called Liam when they were there, and in the spirit of their deal, he told Steffy straight away, and that could have been her perfect opportunity to tell him the truth, but she let things spiral out of control. Liam made it very clear his marriage with Steffy ended because of her own actions, nobody else was responsible. So no, I don't agree Liam is primarily responsible for his marriage with Steffy ending. He may be responsible for so much, too much, but not that. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. 
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navitavi |
Quote 1bluegoose: Quote bnb fan: Quote 1bluegoose: Does anyone feel any less aggression towards Hope? Is it less offensive that Hope pursued Liam? I'm just wondering if Hope gets any slack because of Steffy's admission. Well, here's the thing, Hope had LEFT Liam, left the RING and gave up on them - this is the beginning of how things will never be as solid between Liam and Hope because the trust is broken. So, more power to Hope for trying to fight for what she felt was a mistake, but looking at the trickery without taking into account all of Hope's actions BEFORE what led to that is looking at a situation without all of the facts it is like looking at something obscured. Hope has been unsensitive to Steffy and of Ridge in such a character reflection that she comes off not quite ready for such a committment. Hope has had Brooke and Katie manipulating situations for her; Steffy holds her own. The slack that I find as a Steffy fan to give to Hope is seen in the last scene with Steffy in Steffy's office...the arrogance, the words spoken of forgiveness without the meaning or attempt of understanding, the lack of empathy on Hope's face and the constant arrogance of being the pillar of society is baffling because it demonstrates the continued judgement that Hope has and no lessons from her own actions in the past. Hope has not taken ownership of any of her actions without pulling someone else on the show down with her. The ski accident, the breaking point apparently still had the lack of knowing her biological father as the reason for popping pills and then Amber for providing the pills...there has not been anything redeeming that Hope has done to warrant slack.  Hope had the first knee jerk reaction when she saw Steffy and Liam kissing in the car and broke the engagement. Liam had the second knee jerk reaction when he proposed to Steffy a nanosecond after Hope broke the engagement. He was distraught and hurt at the time. Steffy had the third knee jerk reaction when she accepted a very vulnerable Liam's proposal knowing he was madly in love with another women. IMO that was the beginning of how things would never be stable between all three of them. All three of them behaved irrationally that night. I don't hold Hope responsible for Brooke and Katie's manipulations, Hope herself was a victim of them. Hope would have never betrayed her own values if it wasn't for their encouragement. I really do try and take all the facts into consideration. I am always open to a good discussion. Knees were jerking everywhere! Steffy's knee-jerk wedding reaction when Liam decided to hike up the mountain alone was another one. Hope's knee-jerk relationship--if you could call it that--with Thomas. But the biggest knee-jerk of all was when Steffy hit her head and woke up in love with Liam. I really didn't think the writers were serious after what had just happened with Bill. However, Steffy had worked for a long time to convince us it wasn't just a frank knightinggale thing. |
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I think everyone was to blame for the fail of Steffy and Liam's marriage. It wasn't built on a good foundation and was doomed to fail. Just like Hope and Liam's marriage. I think they all did shitty things and now Steffy is admitting them and trying to not make the same mistakes. |
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Quote bbfan23: Quote 1bluegoose: Does anyone feel any less aggression towards Hope? Is it less offensive that Hope pursued Liam? I'm just wondering if Hope gets any slack because of Steffy's admission. Not at all. Hope tried to and successfully destroyed a marriage - and a marriage is more sacred than an engagement imo. Two wrongs do not make a right - certainly not if Hope was preaching about morality etc. I would have and will feel less aggression towards Hope is she wasn't on her soapbox the whole time. Sorry to tell ya but Liam is the one who was married to Steffy and wanted Hope. Hope did nothing wrong. Steffy did so many deceiving things and she is admitting some be proud of her.Sorry to say I still don`t trust her. Just to sweet for Steffy. |
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annie71 |
Quote tangled2969: I like both Hope and Steffy. I was very glad to hear Steffy say that stuff about Hope. I think that showed real maturity on Steffy's part. I am still not sure why people still say Hope broke up the marriage between Liam and Steffy. Hope didn't chase Liam. He chased her. He decided to end his marriage to Steffy. People like to call Hope an adultress but her and Liam did not sleep together until after the divorce papers were signed. Now a days it can take years for a divorce to be finalized because one spouse drags it out. I get calling someone an adultress if you are having an affair. But the divorce papers were signed and the marriage was over. Steffy was aware he chose Hope. They just had to wait the 6 month waiting peoriod for it to be legal. Steffy even said to Hope how sweet and forgiving Hope always was during the situation. She said she knew back then if she would have apologized to Hope she would have forgave her. I am not sure why so many people see Hope as this mean hateful girl when even Steffy doesn't see her that way. I have always been a Steffy fan and always will be. But I really like the character of Hope too and I don't see the bad traits that others see. Just my opinion. Hope . I love her character she is just sweet. So many on here can`t say to much about her except she giggles, flips her hair, big deal they sound like a broken record.Steffy on the other hand is a jealous, lying. deceitful. manipulative girl.Shes changed? we will see. I don`t believe anyone can change that fast. Its got to be eating away at her that Liam is married to Hope now. Its not over. |
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Quote 11aces: Quote bbfan23: Quote 11aces: Quote bbfan23: Quote navitavi: Quote bbfan23: Quote 1bluegoose: Does anyone feel any less aggression towards Hope? Is it less offensive that Hope pursued Liam? I'm just wondering if Hope gets any slack because of Steffy's admission. Not at all. Hope tried to and successfully destroyed a marriage - and a marriage is more sacred than an engagement imo. Two wrongs do not make a right - certainly not if Hope was preaching about morality etc. I would have and will feel less aggression towards Hope is she wasn't on her soapbox the whole time. But how sacred is it if Steffy purposely tricked the husband into it.....??? Not at all until Steffy confessed and Liam forgave her. He had a choice to walk out of the marriage, but chose to stick with Steffy. They agreed on a clean slate - but as usual, Liam lies to himself and everybody else. It isn't Steffy's fault that Hope and the Logans couldn't handle Liam's choice to stick with Steffy and went all out to break up that marriage. Despite the fact that Liam doesn't know what he does ALL the time, the moment he CHOSE to recommit to Steffy puts him and Hope entirely in the blame for that failed marriage. JMO. Thats NOT what happened. We saw Liam forgive Steffy for what she did in aspen, on the very firm condition that she NEVER lie to him, or manipulate him again. Then they went to cabo, and Steffy was caught once again lying to her husband/insurance policy. The one thing she knew he would not tolerate. That is why their marriage ended. Steffy, and only Steffy was the blame for that. Not Hope. I presume you hadn't read my post no.25 before putting in your 2 cents. I cannot blame Steffy for keeping Hope's whereabouts secret from Liam in Cabo. God forbid if I was in that situation with a cheating loser husband like Liam and I actually really loved him, I think I would do the same. Seriously, Hope is blameless? WHO in their right mind rings up their ex while he is on vacation with his wife to tell him that you still love him and that this guy (Tom) is interested in you and to give your ex the status of her hymen? True that Liam was already daydreaming about Hope, but Hope was at fault for telling Liam that her hymen was still in tact and waiting for him etc. I doubt Liam would have been in such a tizzy if Hope actually practised what she preached and KEPT HER DISTANCE during the marriage and REBUFFED Liam's attempts to get close to her. As we can argue til the moon turns blue whether it's Hope's or Steffy's fault, let's just agree that Liam is primarily at fault. He wrecked his marriage with Steffy, and is in the process of wrecking his marriage with Hope. Yes I did read that aswell #25, and what your saying is Steffy didn't lie in cabo, only omit truth about Hope being there right ? I have to disagree with that aswell, there was more to it than that. Liam was actually putting in an effort with Steffy, and wanted to try and bond with her in cabo, however every attempt he made to spend time with her, she took off leaving him there by himself. Then came the direct question from Liam about where she had been, and she flat out lied and told him, she had been getting private lessons in massage just for him. Steffy was also working with Thomas to get Hope drunk, and take advantage of her. Liam quickly worked out the truth when they were on the balcony watching a tipsy to drunk Hope with Thomas. Hope called Liam when they were there, and in the spirit of their deal, he told Steffy straight away, and that could have been her perfect opportunity to tell him the truth, but she let things spiral out of control. Liam made it very clear his marriage with Steffy ended because of her own actions, nobody else was responsible. So no, I don't agree Liam is primarily responsible for his marriage with Steffy ending. He may be responsible for so much, too much, but not that. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. For once we agree
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Quote 1bluegoose: Does anyone feel any less aggression towards Hope? Is it less offensive that Hope pursued Liam? I'm just wondering if Hope gets any slack because of Steffy's admission. Why would Liam get any slack? Steffy didn't propose, he could have just went after Hope. PLus, Steffy didnt' trick him in to kissing her in Aspen or tearing up those papers. She didn't trick him in to having feelings for her. That is all Liam. Hope should still be furious at Liam, and her mother actually. Who is the mom and supposed to be on her daughters side, which means telling her the truth and not having someone lie to her on purpose, then get mad at them when they continue lying. Pick and choose the truth times, that is what she did. But no, Liam still fell in love with Steffy. Regardless. |
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Quote HoHoHogan: Quote 1bluegoose: Does anyone feel any less aggression towards Hope? Is it less offensive that Hope pursued Liam? I'm just wondering if Hope gets any slack because of Steffy's admission. Why would Liam get any slack? Steffy didn't propose, he could have just went after Hope. PLus, Steffy didnt' trick him in to kissing her in Aspen or tearing up those papers. She didn't trick him in to having feelings for her. That is all Liam. Hope should still be furious at Liam, and her mother actually. Who is the mom and supposed to be on her daughters side, which means telling her the truth and not having someone lie to her on purpose, then get mad at them when they continue lying. Pick and choose the truth times, that is what she did. But no, Liam still fell in love with Steffy. Regardless. Exactly. The guys always seem to get a pass. Women just attack each other instead of the real culprit, and that's the cheating man. I have to be honest...I really don't think Brooke would be so forgiving of Liam if he was a normal guy, who wasn't the Spencer heir. I think it's all about the money and about beating Steffy. Which is crap because her daughter is the one who's going to end up broken hearted. |
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Quote Mrs.S: Quote HoHoHogan: Quote 1bluegoose: Does anyone feel any less aggression towards Hope? Is it less offensive that Hope pursued Liam? I'm just wondering if Hope gets any slack because of Steffy's admission. Why would Liam get any slack? Steffy didn't propose, he could have just went after Hope. PLus, Steffy didnt' trick him in to kissing her in Aspen or tearing up those papers. She didn't trick him in to having feelings for her. That is all Liam. Hope should still be furious at Liam, and her mother actually. Who is the mom and supposed to be on her daughters side, which means telling her the truth and not having someone lie to her on purpose, then get mad at them when they continue lying. Pick and choose the truth times, that is what she did. But no, Liam still fell in love with Steffy. Regardless. Exactly. The guys always seem to get a pass. Women just attack each other instead of the real culprit, and that's the cheating man. I have to be honest...I really don't think Brooke would be so forgiving of Liam if he was a normal guy, who wasn't the Spencer heir. I think it's all about the money and about beating Steffy. Which is crap because her daughter is the one who's going to end up broken hearted. We already know that because of Oliver. She urged her to move on. Forgive him, but move on. He had nothing to offer her. We already know..... |
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